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Quote from: bouli77 on June 17, 2011, 02:36:40 AMi may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.1) What does it mean to have a westcoast style and delivery?2) What does his musical influence have to do with the producers who made his beats? Whether most of his producers were from the west coast or not has nothing to do with his style or delivery.3) You claim his first 4 albums were half westcoast/west coast without defining what either term means. I don't know what a "west coast type of flow/topic matter" is, nor do I hear that in the song Trapped or I Don't Give a Fuck. For sure he sounds nothing like Snoop or Dre.4) His crew Thug Life definitely wasn't 100% "west coast". Mopreme for one was from New York, like Pac himself. Regardless what would the origin of his associates have to do with Pac himself? Also I don't hear these "typical west coast gangsta songs"5) Me Against the World was half west coast? I don't hear it, you'll have to explain further.6) Since when do talking about death, reincarnation or making uplifting tracks say anything about which coast a rapper's music is like?In conclusion you've yet to come up with anything that would show his style and delivery were considered "west coast", much less even define what that would mean.
i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.
Quote from: OG Will_B on June 17, 2011, 03:29:12 AMLol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.lol, it's a "forum", einstein - what do u expect?
Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.
QDIII isnt westoast. neither him personaly, or his type of music..
he produced stuff for pac, and some Lench Mob/Ice Cube affiliated-acts - thats it.not to mention, dude is a european from Swedenother than taht, his catalogue is predomantly eastcoast and "eastcoast"-sounding - LL Cool J, Treachrous Three, Queen Latifah, plus a million pop/r&b artists from England, Sweden.and Tech N9nehis label was bicoastal, n didnt focus on anythin. Mr X was just an artist, just like Justin Warfielfd (an african artist)but yeah, i understand what u mean. since his most famous music sounds like "westcoast", n was made for "westcoast" artists (like 2pac, from NY) - that makes him "westcoast"? no, i disagreepoint taken tho, a few of the songs he produced for Cube and Pac - shaped the sound of the westcoast in the 90's (like his Gap Band-samples)
Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 16, 2011, 09:08:12 AMQuote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on June 16, 2011, 08:21:25 AMQuote from: Prodigal Son on June 16, 2011, 07:45:44 AMActually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here. And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being. ...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome. Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ? I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later. No where did I say you were a failure as a human being. Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ? But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material. I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions. And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is. And I'll be the first to say neither am I. I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero. But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music. If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial. To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life. No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at handIf Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.
Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on June 16, 2011, 08:21:25 AMQuote from: Prodigal Son on June 16, 2011, 07:45:44 AMActually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here. And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being. ...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome. Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ? I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later. No where did I say you were a failure as a human being. Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ? But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material. I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions. And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is. And I'll be the first to say neither am I. I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero. But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music. If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial. To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life. No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at hand
Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 16, 2011, 07:45:44 AMActually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here. And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being. ...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.
Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here. And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 17, 2011, 06:13:45 AMBut dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HANDI don't think anyone would dispute that Pac's lifestyle choices contributed to his death, which in turn naturally affected the people closest to him. Family or otherwise.Why do you want people to argue against the obvious?
Quote from: OG Will_B on June 17, 2011, 06:25:47 AMQuote from: Prodigal Son on June 17, 2011, 06:13:45 AMBut dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HANDI don't think anyone would dispute that Pac's lifestyle choices contributed to his death, which in turn naturally affected the people closest to him. Family or otherwise.Why do you want people to argue against the obvious?You still can't even fully admit he set the rap game back God knows how much and you can't admit that his greedy selfish actions caused the murder of Big and orphaned Bigs kids
For some reason the more I read the more I kept thinking about that scene in bad boys 2 when the pool exploded and will smith yelled "now that's funny! That's some funny shit".
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on June 14, 2011, 07:53:01 PMFor some reason the more I read the more I kept thinking about that scene in bad boys 2 when the pool exploded and will smith yelled "now that's funny! That's some funny shit". That's what I think with about 65% of the new posters on here. Forums really gone downhill as of late. No offense to the new peeps that use common sense or drop knowledge, but the jackasses have run roughshod over the board.