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We Should Cut Special Education
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on June 19, 2011, 11:48:36 PM ---Everyone knows that education is getting fucked in this economy, meaning bigger classes, teachers getting laid off, teachers can't find jobs, etc. No news here.
Special education compared to other "regular" education is fucking expensive. For example, here in california, 1 autistic kid costs about 45k a yr (source a local newspaper).
Now Im not saying cut EVERYTHING, i'm just saying this: let the schools make reasonable decisions, ditch the federal laws that require all special ed kids to be mainstreamed (if the parents choose) into regular classes (which ends up bad for kids who dont get proper education and bad for teachers who arent equipped to deal with the special ed kid), and end this idea that every special ed kid needs to be educated; meaning the classes that essentially serve as day care centers for kids who literally cant talk and cant do anything shouldnt be at a public school (a LEARNING institution) - this would primarily apply to severly handicapped that will never be able to do anything on their own anyway and not the slightly slow kid who will at least end up working at the neighborhood pizza hut.
I realize this will not happen, but if people were serious about reform and improving our education system and budget, etc, this would be a talking point.
Sounds harsh, yes. But to me, this is common sense. So, am I a heartless bastard or do I have a point here?
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i want you to run American schools from here out
Sami:
This is a very bad idea. I was mainstreamed because I was born with a disability and the mainstream classes were so much better than the special ed ones and your attitude is essentially kill the disabled or stick us in nursing homes, even though years of research shows it;s cheaper for the government the disabled to live in apartments on their own with a caregiver instead of
a nursing home.
It's also kind of personal because I'm trying to find housing and I can't afford it because I'm still getting my college education, so I went to apply for Section 8 housing and in Long Beach it's been closed for applications since 2003. That's 8 years.
This myth of Golden Ticket Welfare is a myth.
Ghost Drebin:
Without special education, Radiotube would forget to breathe.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Sami on June 21, 2011, 10:57:53 AM ---This is a very bad idea. I was mainstreamed because I was born with a disability and the mainstream classes were so much better than the special ed ones and your attitude is essentially kill the disabled or stick us in nursing homes, even though years of research shows it;s cheaper for the government the disabled to live in apartments on their own with a caregiver instead of
a nursing home.
It's also kind of personal because I'm trying to find housing and I can't afford it because I'm still getting my college education, so I went to apply for Section 8 housing and in Long Beach it's been closed for applications since 2003. That's 8 years.
This myth of Golden Ticket Welfare is a myth.
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You seem to be more on the functional side and not who i was talking about, and lol at u thinking i meant stick everyone in a nursing home or kill u.
This black and white view is the problem with education, all or nothing huh?
Well, our system will continue to go broke.
Im talking mostly severely handicapped, the ones who cant function and end up occupying a wing of the school that essentially is a nursing home. Im also saying that schools should be able to make decisions, instead of federal mainstreaming laws which hurt the students and teachers and special ed kid him/herself. What the fuck does some supreme court judge know about education that a principal/teacher doesnt? Again, decision making at the school level, where the principal/whoever can make an educated conclusion is better than some law designed to force equality, cause that in reality never works.
And why do you think stuff like section 8 closes, cause everyone uses it responsibly? Nah, probably not. Same principal as the special ed, you take the decision making away from people and you get a flawed system (although i know way less about this than i do education which i actually work in).
Whats this disability u had/have?
Sami:
I have Cerebral Palsy and I'm in a chair.
You know how education could save money? Stop buying private textbooks, and stop having local school boards and bullshit that adds extra bureaucracy.
The State of California could have different universities create standard textbooks themselves not just for colleges but lower grades as well, because McGraw Hill already pays public universities to write the books and then turns around and charges huge amounts off the top, and because there are different books and they change from place to place the quality of education varies.
I noticed that growing up. Shitty areas I lived in had cheap, shitty books and the rich areas were hyper-rigorous so it was hard for me to jump right in when ever I moved. If the whole state used the same curriculum and books, it'd be much more uniform and higher quality as well as cutting out the textbook companies.
You know how else we save money? End the goddamn war.
You know what else, if I were governor I'd refuse to open any more collectives and instead the state would open weed stores of it's own the way Canada has govt-owned liquor stores.The profits could be funneled to health care and education and drug rehab.
Empty the prisons of weedheads and impose death sentences on rapists, pedos and murderers, with limited appeals and bring back firing squads instead of that lethal injection bullshit.
Abolish property taxes on where people live and raise them on "extra" houses to punish the banks for keeping houses empty.
I have more. There are so many things we could do.
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