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Nutty:
Tell that goalie she was lucky the US team choked, lol.
bouli77:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on July 17, 2011, 04:58:37 PM ---World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
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i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
Furor Teutonicus:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on July 19, 2011, 12:45:07 AM ---C'mon, son. They showed the slow motion replay of those penalty kicks four times after each one. The goalie is in a straight up all out dive before contact with the ball is even made. How is that not pure luck? You can study all you want. Bottom line, you have NO idea.
& how does the NFL coin flip determine the game? It just says who gets the ball. Plus they changed the rules of that, where you need to score a touchdown. If you kick a FG, the other team gets the ball back to match or score a winning touchdown. They just installed it last postseason, so I'm not sure of the exact rule. But regardless, it's not in the same league. All the coin flip does is give a team the ball. Then from there they play the same game they played for four quarters. They don't call out both kickers & say, make as many kicks as you can in a row.
"If both are elite players and know their crafts, the one who is kicking the ball is going to win just about every time," Gustavson says. "Basically, if you kick the ball into either corner, you are going to score. The keeper would just not be able to react fast enough to a ball kicked anywhere over 55 miles per hourif it is kicked within a yard of either goalpost."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2003-02-18-ten-hardest-penalty-kick_x.htm
If you stop something that is going to win "just about EVERY time", I'd say that's luck. & this is what determines the "Super Bowl/World Series/Finals" of Soccer, which all you Soccer fans cry about is the "greatest, most popular game ever". There is less luck in Black Jack.
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lol. No argument is ridiculous enough for football-basher Chamilla. Go and play with Nik idiot.
Furor Teutonicus:
--- Quote from: bouli77 on July 19, 2011, 03:13:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on July 17, 2011, 04:58:37 PM ---World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
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i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
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On point. One might add that German teams are so confident because they can always rely on excellent keepers while England usually has bad ones. It's no coincidence, if you know that your keeper might save 1 or 2 penalties you definately have a psychological advantage.
Javier:
Cham, don't base your judgement on penalty kicks on female players. They're nowhere near the talent as a world class football athlete is. And about the NFL, they recently changed it just last year. That's still luck though, it decides who gets to have the first chance and possibly only chance to win the game. In international soccer, after 120 min of playing time that's the most fair way to figure who the best team is. It can't be considered pure luck, if goal keepers exist that are much better and stopping penalties than others. This fact alone proves that it isn't pure luck. All the advantage of the world is for the shooter of course, they still need to execute though.
If your wish came true and penalties did not decide games, what's an alternative?
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