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Quote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 04:31:14 AMQuote from: dubsmith_nz on September 16, 2011, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubtI don't think so - I know they're not like constantly on the radio now, but still, no one goes: "hey, did you hear that guy that's big on the underground right now, that Daz guy?""Oh, you mean the dude who sold like several million of Dogg Food, was all over Chronic and Doggystyle that sold like 10 million combined,and did a bunch of production on a 9 million selling 2Pac double-album? You mean that underground guy?"i think they were talking about the past.
Quote from: dubsmith_nz on September 16, 2011, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubtI don't think so - I know they're not like constantly on the radio now, but still, no one goes: "hey, did you hear that guy that's big on the underground right now, that Daz guy?""Oh, you mean the dude who sold like several million of Dogg Food, was all over Chronic and Doggystyle that sold like 10 million combined,and did a bunch of production on a 9 million selling 2Pac double-album? You mean that underground guy?"
Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubt
Quote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.
Quote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground.
That's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on September 17, 2011, 07:52:59 AMQuote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 04:31:14 AMQuote from: dubsmith_nz on September 16, 2011, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubtI don't think so - I know they're not like constantly on the radio now, but still, no one goes: "hey, did you hear that guy that's big on the underground right now, that Daz guy?""Oh, you mean the dude who sold like several million of Dogg Food, was all over Chronic and Doggystyle that sold like 10 million combined,and did a bunch of production on a 9 million selling 2Pac double-album? You mean that underground guy?"i think they were talking about the past.Word, but you can't undo what he did already.It's like if Mick Jagger from the Rolling Stones brings out a solo album and it flops, he's all of a sudden an underground rock guy now? No, he's the dude that was the lead singer of the Stones.Same with Daz, if someone says, "hey, did you hear about that underground rapper, Daz,"that wouldn't sound right, because he's already known for being part of the Dogg Pound, being on 2-3 really big albums, and for producing on one of the biggest selling hip-hop albums.
There is a difference between being an independent artist and being Underground 2 different things
Quote from: .:Hercy Buggz:. on September 17, 2011, 02:15:20 PMThere is a difference between being an independent artist and being Underground 2 different thingsThis is 100% the point that the original poster who stated he was underground doesn't get. Underground is almost more of a sound and aesthetic than it is a reality of their financial success.
Quote from: 13th Duke on September 17, 2011, 02:31:39 PMQuote from: .:Hercy Buggz:. on September 17, 2011, 02:15:20 PMThere is a difference between being an independent artist and being Underground 2 different thingsThis is 100% the point that the original poster who stated he was underground doesn't get. Underground is almost more of a sound and aesthetic than it is a reality of their financial success. so u mean "Underground" is a music-genre?
Quote from: Michael Madsen on September 17, 2011, 02:42:43 PMQuote from: 13th Duke on September 17, 2011, 02:31:39 PMQuote from: .:Hercy Buggz:. on September 17, 2011, 02:15:20 PMThere is a difference between being an independent artist and being Underground 2 different thingsThis is 100% the point that the original poster who stated he was underground doesn't get. Underground is almost more of a sound and aesthetic than it is a reality of their financial success. so u mean "Underground" is a music-genre? No, because that's not what I said, read it back, sir. But in a way it can be used to describe a sound as much as it can to describe a relative unknown. For example, Wu-Tang Clan are known the world over, their name alone is bigger than most mainstream artists with huge success, but their sound, by definition is what most would consider 'underground'. Underground music can sell too you know, its not dictated only by record sales. There is no black and white here.
if doing tracks with Dr. Dre, Raphael Saadiq & Tony Toni Tone and the lead singer of Guy makes you underground then what the fuck is mainstream?!!
Quote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 10:51:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on September 17, 2011, 07:52:59 AMQuote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 04:31:14 AMQuote from: dubsmith_nz on September 16, 2011, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubtI don't think so - I know they're not like constantly on the radio now, but still, no one goes: "hey, did you hear that guy that's big on the underground right now, that Daz guy?""Oh, you mean the dude who sold like several million of Dogg Food, was all over Chronic and Doggystyle that sold like 10 million combined,and did a bunch of production on a 9 million selling 2Pac double-album? You mean that underground guy?"i think they were talking about the past.Word, but you can't undo what he did already.It's like if Mick Jagger from the Rolling Stones brings out a solo album and it flops, he's all of a sudden an underground rock guy now? No, he's the dude that was the lead singer of the Stones.Same with Daz, if someone says, "hey, did you hear about that underground rapper, Daz,"that wouldn't sound right, because he's already known for being part of the Dogg Pound, being on 2-3 really big albums, and for producing on one of the biggest selling hip-hop albums.Mick Jagger is a household name. Daz is not. There's a difference between an artist who's album flops and an artist who people don't even has an album out. Beyond the people on this forum, no one even knows Daz is still in the rap game. I'd say that's pretty fucking underground.
Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 17, 2011, 01:50:15 PMQuote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 10:51:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on September 17, 2011, 07:52:59 AMQuote from: UCC on September 17, 2011, 04:31:14 AMQuote from: dubsmith_nz on September 16, 2011, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 16, 2011, 02:48:30 PMQuote from: UCC on September 16, 2011, 02:17:18 PMThat's three gold and one platinum album as a solo artist, so 2.5 million... not really underground numbers. Well, most people on this board have no idea what "underground" actually is so you'll have to excuse that. They seem to think anyone that's not on the A-list and followed around by paparazzi is "underground". Daz isn't underground. MC Eiht isn't underground. Yukmouth isn't underground. Quik definitely ain't underground. They are now. But they weren't at one point.No doubtI don't think so - I know they're not like constantly on the radio now, but still, no one goes: "hey, did you hear that guy that's big on the underground right now, that Daz guy?""Oh, you mean the dude who sold like several million of Dogg Food, was all over Chronic and Doggystyle that sold like 10 million combined,and did a bunch of production on a 9 million selling 2Pac double-album? You mean that underground guy?"i think they were talking about the past.Word, but you can't undo what he did already.It's like if Mick Jagger from the Rolling Stones brings out a solo album and it flops, he's all of a sudden an underground rock guy now? No, he's the dude that was the lead singer of the Stones.Same with Daz, if someone says, "hey, did you hear about that underground rapper, Daz,"that wouldn't sound right, because he's already known for being part of the Dogg Pound, being on 2-3 really big albums, and for producing on one of the biggest selling hip-hop albums.Mick Jagger is a household name. Daz is not. There's a difference between an artist who's album flops and an artist who people don't even has an album out. Beyond the people on this forum, no one even knows Daz is still in the rap game. I'd say that's pretty fucking underground.If someone didn't know who he was, then you'd just say, well he's in the Dogg Pound, i.e. the guys who tour with Snoop Dogg and are on his records... and immediately he would become not underground again. As other people said, underground is a bunch of stuff when deciding if someone is actually underground,it's the style of music partially as well... you can be making mainstream sounding music and not selling anything.And today, seeing as no one sells much apart from Eminem, Lil Wayne and BEP, then everyone is underground if youwere to just count record sales.
Examples:Daz Dillinger : Independant artist, does stuff on his own , release his own music, makes most of the profitsSnoop Dogg : Major Artist , with a major label as backup, doesnt have full control of the marketing, promo and even creative controlKendrick Lamar (not sure if he is signed or not) : Underground artist, that do not have a record deal but has a current fan base that follows his stuff, with a certain buzz