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NFL week six discussion
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on October 17, 2011, 03:47:43 PM ---I wonder if they'd pick Luck. I don't know. Peyton still has three really good years left & at least five really solid seasons left, given he fully recovers. The only pro of drafting Luck is him sitting there & learning from one of the greatest QBs of all-time. The con would be he wouldn't play lol. It's not like they would disrespect Peyton & ever bench him. So it would make more sense to get the best possible defensive player in the draft or just get what will be the next great running back in the league in Trent Richardson.
Then again, how do you pass on Andrew Luck?
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I don't think you can keep both on the roster with the salary cap. How can you draft a guy at #1, pay him all that cash and sit him on the bench for 4 years. Rodgers sat and waited, but he wasn't the #1 pick with a #1 pick contract. I would have no problem with Peyton leaving and showing the world really how good Polian is at building a team, because even with Luck that Colts team would need a complete make over on the sidelines. Caldwell could make the 89 Niners have a losing season.
And Peyton could go to any team in the league next year and I garauntee they will have at least twice the wins that the Colts get next year.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2011, 03:46:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on October 17, 2011, 08:22:44 AM ---
Tom Brady proved why he is the greatest player to ever grace the sporting World.
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The Colts are doing a better job proving that the title belongs to Peyton, and Aaron Rodgers is easily the best QB in the league this year so far. Dinking and dunking down the field against a tired Dallas D after the Dallas offense threw win the towel doesn't mean shit.
I really hope GB goes 19-0. And Indy goes 0-16. With Campbell out and the trade dealine looming I'd love to see Manning jump over to the Raiders. He'll be healthy for the Playoffs and Oakland may very well win it all.
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Oh, if we're playing that game again, I hope the Pats GM threatens to murder every GM in football if they don't give him their best defensive player.
He's matched Marino/Shula with over 30 less losses. He hasn't lost a regular season home game since 2006. All that with a far inferior defense than they had during the Superbowl years. You can't just throw anybody in there & accomplish those things. No doubt the Packers are the best team in football & I can honestly see them going 19-0, but their defense isn't statistically the worst in the NFL (like the Pats D). It's more like the ones that won the Pats those rings years ago.
Lunatic:
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2011, 03:55:29 PM ---How can you draft a guy at #1, pay him all that cash and sit him on the bench for 4 years?he wins that the Colts get next year.
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Remember now with the rookie wages as part of the new CBA, the deals #1 overall pick signs isn't like it used to be.
Example:
#1 pick in 2010 (as part of old CBA)
QB Sam Bradford - Signed a 6 year/78mil/50mil guaranteed
#1 pick in 2011 (as part of the new CBA with rookie wages capped)
QB Cam Newton - Signed a 4 year/22mil guaranteed deal.
The Colts, or any team with the #1 pick next year can totally afford drafting Luck and sitting him.
The rookie wage scale was the best thing the new CBA did
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure the Colts are paying Kerry Collins more right now than Luck will make next year.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on October 17, 2011, 03:57:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2011, 03:46:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on October 17, 2011, 08:22:44 AM ---
Tom Brady proved why he is the greatest player to ever grace the sporting World.
--- End quote ---
The Colts are doing a better job proving that the title belongs to Peyton, and Aaron Rodgers is easily the best QB in the league this year so far. Dinking and dunking down the field against a tired Dallas D after the Dallas offense threw win the towel doesn't mean shit.
I really hope GB goes 19-0. And Indy goes 0-16. With Campbell out and the trade dealine looming I'd love to see Manning jump over to the Raiders. He'll be healthy for the Playoffs and Oakland may very well win it all.
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Oh, if we're playing that game again, I hope the Pats GM threatens to murder every GM in football if they don't give him their best defensive player.
He's matched Marino/Shula with over 30 less losses. He hasn't lost a regular season home game since 2006. All that with a far inferior defense than they had during the Superbowl years. You can't just throw anybody in there & accomplish those things. No doubt the Packers are the best team in football & I can honestly see them going 19-0, but their defense isn't statistically the worst in the NFL (like the Pats D). It's more like the ones that won the Pats those rings years ago.
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Defenses (and wins) aside, Aaron Rodgers is playing the game better than Tom Brady. I'm not a great system makes that star less credible guy. Jordan had the best system in the NBA in the 90s. You'll never hear me say he wasn't the best player as well. And I hated Jordan adn the Bulls. But a lot of QBs can throw dink and dunk passes to 6'8 TEs after sitting in the pocket for 5 seconds. There is nothing Tom Brady does that Aaron Rodgers cannot do himself. There's plenty Rodgers does that Brady simply cannot do.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lunatic on October 17, 2011, 04:50:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2011, 03:55:29 PM ---How can you draft a guy at #1, pay him all that cash and sit him on the bench for 4 years?he wins that the Colts get next year.
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Remember now with the rookie wages as part of the new CBA, the deals #1 overall pick signs isn't like it used to be.
Example:
#1 pick in 2010 (as part of old CBA)
QB Sam Bradford - Signed a 6 year/78mil/50mil guaranteed
#1 pick in 2011 (as part of the new CBA with rookie wages capped)
QB Cam Newton - Signed a 4 year/22mil guaranteed deal.
The Colts, or any team with the #1 pick next year can totally afford drafting Luck and sitting him.
The rookie wage scale was the best thing the new CBA did
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure the Colts are paying Kerry Collins more right now than Luck will make next year.
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He'd still be walking into a death trap. What Peyton does with the Colts offense only a handful of QBs in league history could do. won't prepare him for the distaster when he finally does start The Colts losing Peyton and starting from scratch with a brand new regime like Bill Cowher or John Gruden would and should draft Luck and build around him. But sitting on the bennch and watching Peyton won't prepare him for the disaster when he finally does start and gets crunched and by then he'd already be 4 years in the league and a new crop of homerun QBs will be coming out of college. If Luck was on the Colts this year they'd still be 0-6 right now. To quote Ray Lewis it's simply plain and simple a "very below average ball club".
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