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Carlos Conditt the new interim Welterweight UFC Champion
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on February 06, 2012, 02:41:03 PM ---Diaz is still too caught up in the outdated notion that a "fight" is two men standing in front of each other and wildly winging punches until someone falls down. On the streets of Stockton maybe that's exactly how it goes but inside the Octagon against the best the world has to offer, that's simply not the case and it never will be.
Running away is what Kalib Starnes did with Nate Quarry. The same thing happened with Anderson Silva and Demian Maia. To claim that Carlos Condit was similar in his tactics is insane and uneducated. Carlos effectively counterstruck and won the fight just like he should have.
Machida was deemed a genius for the way he stays away from fighters and never got caught and became a champion because of it.
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I'm a fan of evasive maneuvering. Like what Frankie Edgar and Dominic Cruz do. But Condit was literally running away. Like turning his back to his opponent and sprinting to the other side of the cage. That isn't a strategy anyone who calls themselves a fighter should be using. That's the same strategy the smaller kid on a playground uses when a bully is coming to beat his ass.
Imagine if every fighter did what Condit did those first two rounds. We would be seeing some incredibly boring fights every time. As fans we shouldn't be advocating that. The only saving grace of that fight is that Nick wasn't checking Condit's kicks, allowing him to score damage. Imagine if Nick had been blocking or dodging those kicks and how bad of a fight it would've been, instead of being just somewhat disappointing. It would've been Kongo/Mitrione status. I'm all for avoiding being hit in the face, but not refusing to engage. Machida gets out of range of strikes, but he isn't actively running from his opponent, and when they try and strike him, he punishes them for it.
rayallen0:
did u see diaz face after the fight? there were over 100 strikes landed. of course condit ran out of being cornered. I don't understand what you want him to do? push him off him? trade punches? walk away? slide away? just dodge punches like a boxer?
he isn't a better grappler or a better striker. he is a smarter fighter. If diaz wasn't a fucking idiot he would of stood in the middle and made Condit come to him. but Diaz never has a good game plan. he is a baby just like cesar gracie and it is no wonder what a punk he is training with Cesar.
Boring? no Shamrock vs Severn II is boring. that fight had plenty of great tactics.
I fight, and just trying to dodge punches instead of getting out of the way is a horrible idea against a man considered the best boxer in MMA. very bad. I have wrestling experience so i can usually grapple out of it but that uses a shit load of energy. a little jog out of the and getting diaz frustrated is much better. I don't get why people are acting like this is Kalib Barnes.
I'd match rather watch this fight 100X than all these wrestlers just sitting on opponents doing no damage.
Koscheck vs. Pierce = boring
this fight was average and only a letdown because people though Conditt was gonna be an idiot and just stand there like Roy Nelson.
I wanted Diaz to fight GSP. I picked him to win. but he didn't. Conditt proved to be the more prepared fighter. Martial arts isn't brawling.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
The first two rounds of the fight were a fucking joke. You can't give Condit credit for a strategy used by people who don't want to fight. It's something literally any fighter could start doing. How hard is it to run from your opponent? I hope to god fighters don't start using this tactic. It makes the sport look horrible. I've seen my share of mma fights. I've seen fighters handle better boxers than them. Condit wasn't just staying out of range, he was disengaging completely for 10 minutes.
So you thought this was fight of the year then? I sure didn't. If running is your only option to handle an opponent's standup, you're admitting defeat in my eyes. I've been in real fights as a kid. And the one running from engagement is the one not wanting to fight.
rayallen0:
i didn't call it fight of the year.
and this wasn't some stupid street fight. this is a sport not a brawl for some lil kids.
he ran like 4 times? the fight was fine there was plenty of action. Nobody was even complaining everybody knew he lost. then Diaz just has to say "oh he ran" and everybody regains hope that condit actually lost. GSP has like 6 fights on his record that were worse. Silva has atleast 2 of the most boring fights ever. and we are picking on Condit cuz he didn't fight like Tank Abbott and fought like someone with the mind of a champion not just the physical capabilities?
you are acting like conditt ran away the whole fight? no when he got in the corner he ran out of it. like anybody with half a brain and not just some retarded need to show off how manly you are would do. he engaged the rest of the fight. and in disadvantegous situations he moved out of them.
see this?
http://www.youtube.com/v/OBQnlwq-sCQ
this is running. thats what a running tactic gets you. a loss.
making sure you aren't pushed up against the cage by a dangerous striker by moving to the other side of the cage and then engaging by throwing leg kicks to weaken his legs and set up for his big shots is smart.
chasing after dude and taunting him instead of making him come to you is not.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on February 06, 2012, 04:22:11 PM ---see this?
http://www.youtube.com/v/OBQnlwq-sCQ
this is running. thats what a running tactic gets you. a loss.
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That's literally what the fight was like the first 2 rounds, with an occasional leg kick. Actually it looked worse because Condit turned his back and sprinted.
What I don't understand is how lying on top of a guy gets you a win (aggression, octagon control) but making a guy flee from you for 5 minutes doesn't.
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