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Shallow:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on February 06, 2012, 01:10:39 PM ---Bottom line - a healthy gronk gets the pats another score at some point during that game and a win, so says common sense at least but u never know. Also, a healthy gronk gets that int in a jump ball scenario and its a completion not a turnover. The safety thing thats on brady, but dropped passes on the potential game winning drive is not on brady, and to act like brady lost that game is just not true. Can u imagine the giants' performance without their number one reciever? Exactly.
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Except I never called Eli the best ever and never said he should be in the discussion. Based on the film I've seen it's between 3 guys and only three guys; Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino and Peyton Manning. No one else belongs in the conversation.
Hell I never even said Eli played all that great a game. He just played better than Brady did. And that one throw to Mario was something Brady isn't capable of making, but Eli's bad game management with time and a lot of very risky throws that could have been disastrous were saved by luck, and a lot of very good bounces on those fumbles saved the Giants. But regardless of who won Eli still played a better game than Brady, but by lot, but still.
And yes a healthy Gronk probably makes that play, but a smarter QB would have known he wasn't healthy, and a better arm would have hit Gronk over the top instead of making him come back to it. I mean he showed the arm strength on the hail mary that he can hit the endzone from his own 40, and had he done that for Gronk at the very least the INT doesn't happen, and a TD maybe does happen.
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on February 06, 2012, 01:23:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 06, 2012, 04:38:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on February 05, 2012, 08:09:43 PM ---
If somehow Eli could make those dropped passes caught i doubt he would make a diff
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No, but here's what Eli would do, like he did with the Manningham throw; throw the ball so that the WR doesn't have to change his position completely. Welker jumped nd turned around and had the ball been placed at the chest or on the side his arms were on upon te turn it would have been a complete drop by Welker if he didn't catch it, but since Tom Terrific threw it ou and away and Welker had to adjust in a split second the drop percentage goes way up. Just because Welker has saved a bunch of bad Brady throws over the last few tears doesn't mean it's his fault when he can't do it every time.
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you understand if eli tried to throw it into his chest it would be intercepted as he was covered. that was an easy catch and any #2 receiver should be able to catch it. much less a #1 pro bowl receiver. you hate brady get over it. not sure if gisele bundchen was your girl and he stole her or what but geeze that's some irrational hate.
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Irrantional? Who exactly was on Welker that would have INTd it if it was on the chest?
WHO?
http://www.youtube.com/v/or1nSVUJeq8
Unless either Phillips or Rolle can break the law of physics and teleport 3 to 4 yards neither is in reach of Welker's chest. The only other guy around is Webster and he's on the other side of where the ball should have been thrown. Brady's receivers have been carrying him with circus catches like that his whole career and they never get any credit, just get dumped as the no name guys, while the great "weapons" of Manning are the reason Peyton's numbers are so good. Reggie Wayne drops that ball 8 out of 10 times.
rayallen0:
i didn't exactly remember the catch but now seeing it. wow are you on crack. like the commentator says 100/100 times he will catch that. that isn't a circus catch. I've seen Bobby Engram make catches harder than that with ease. Welker is the #1 option. How can you hate him so much holy shit. Reggie Wayne & Harrison are both great. Wayne would never drop that pass. are you kidding me? maybe now days. as he has fallen off. but in his prime him and marvin harrison would make that catch with ease. I made those kind of catches and i was a tight end in high school...I seriously don't know what you think a circus catch is.
http://www.youtube.com/v/JZHaKGDYspE
that man isn't making the catch?
http://www.youtube.com/v/HLRB2eNoyBM
this guy is dropping it 80% of the time?
Chris Collinsworth a receiver himself was the one who said 100/100 times thats caught. not some idiot who has never played the game.
I think Peyton is the greatest QB of all time personally but god fucking damn you hate brady and love manning as much as nik hates lebron and loves kobe.
Shallow:
A circus catch by definition is when you have to flip to the side the ball isn't supposed to thrown to and making the catch. A very large portion of Welker's, and Gronk's, and Moss when he was there are catches where the WR has to adjust to the ball. Look at Marvin highlight vids and see how many of those balls he just has to stick his hands out for compared with how many he had to adjust for. I don't think Harrison is less than great. He is great, but so is Welker. But Welker was wider fucking open and there is no excuse for the greatest player of all time to not throw it "on the numbers".
That Wayne catch was incredible but the ball had to be thrown there or get defended, and Wayne made the play more than Manning did. Even that dive by Harrison, the ball had to be thrown far and away or it gets blocked or picked. Weler was by himself and the ball could have been thrown on the numbers, but Brady missed the throw.
Welker had an amazing play earlier in the game when the Pats were backed and Brady was blitzed in the endzone, he recognized the blitz and changed his route and because of that the Pats got out of the danger zone. No one's bragging about that today. With out it may have been safety number 2 for Brady.
OG Jaydc:
Because we all know Peyton manning has never made mistakes in the playoffs. Or never thrown an interception in the superbowl. Oh wait, he has.Maybe that's why when you take out the one superbowl he was labelled a choke artist in the playoffs.
OG Jaydc:
Funny how Brady set a superbowl record yesterday with 16 straight completions. How do you twist that one shallow? ::)
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