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Shallow:
No one is blaming Brady for the loss, not me anyway. Just don't call him the best ever. His level of play in Sunday's game wasn't any worse than any of his last 3 SB wins or last SB loss. I never blamed Brady for a Pats loss, just like I never gave him credit for a Pats win.
Eli did not play at a higher level than Brady in this or the last SB they played against each other in. In fact one team didn't even outplay other in either. It was two evenly matched a the ball bounced one way instead of the other.
That game I mentioned earlier with the Colts vs the Phins in 09 is an example of one team completely dominating the other but one fucking guy made all the difference. The Colts had no business even being close in that game. The same gores for the 05 playoff game against the Steelers. But pure excellence at the QB position made the difference.
I've never really seen Brady put a team on his back. Everything around him has to go right and a lot of guys have to make big plays. If the o-line breaks down they lose, if the WRs drop mis-thrown balls they lose. But Bady never gets any blame. Nor should he. He is what he is; Terry Bradshaw part 2. A decent guy to have that won't lose the game for you.
Peyton the kind of guy that takes a team on his back. That drop by Blair white last year against the Jets was way more catch-able than the Welker throw but no one said shit other than Peyton loses again.
And again for the record, that INT WAS WAS WAS Reggie's fault. Peyton is getting blitzed, he can't see anything, but the play was called to his #1 on a hitch route and Reggie Wayne made a decision, not a mistake, a decision to give up on the play. He knew it was a blitz and he saw Porter sitting on the route, and all he did was hope that Peyton saw it too and decided to run the route anyway. Wayne decides to not try and make a play on the sitting DB and that cost them a pick. He easily could have went for grab and caused a an offensive pass INT. There was no beating the fact that the Saints guessed on the play and guessed right. I'm not expect Reggie to notice the sit and call for a corner route by raising his left hand. That would have put him in the hall of fame on its own merit. But when you realize it's a blitz and the other team guessed your route and your number is called you have to make the attempt. There was absolutely no point in motioning your hands as is you're going to catch the ball and I can't imagine a play as common as that by the Colts isn't practiced with the possibility that the corner jumps the route.
If you want me to call you a hall o fame #1 WR you have to play like one. Sterling Sharpe was the first guy to call Reggie's play in that game soft. But I don't fault Reggie for not holding onto the ball on the next drive because that was a simple mistake on a type of play Reggie was never signed tio make. he's no a physical WR he's a route runner, and as a route runner he has to know when the guy on him is guessing on the route. I never expected him to catch the ball, and if he attempted an offensive pass interference and failed I'd give him all the credit for trying. But he didn't even fucking try. He just assumed Peyton knew better. Maybe that's Peyton's fault for playing at a level so high for so long his supporting cast expects too much from him.
Of course all this is BS because even if the Colts score the Saints still win by at least 3 on the next drive.
OG Jaydc:
Points can be given up by the offense, special teams and turnovers by the offense in their own end that lead to automatic points by the the other team. That's why defensive ranking isn't determined by points. You know this, youre just playing dumb.
The fact that your even debating that the colts have had a d anywhere near as bad as the pats just exposes your bias even more.
Hack Wilson - real:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click; #TeamBox on February 06, 2012, 06:36:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rallo on February 06, 2012, 06:09:52 PM ---all i know is I've seen 3 Manning brothers hoist the Lombardi trophy since I last saw Tom Bieber win one
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In the last ten years, Brady has made has made it to the Superbowl one more time than both of them lmao.
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i don't congratulate on losing SBs
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Jaydc is back on February 07, 2012, 06:00:09 PM ---Points can be given up by the offense, special teams and turnovers by the offense in their own end that lead to automatic points by the the other team. That's why defensive ranking isn't determined by points. You know this, youre just playing dumb.
The fact that your even debating that the colts have had a d anywhere near as bad as the pats just exposes your bias even more.
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Points allowed and points allowed by defense are separate categories completely. What the yards argument doesn't take into play is that in a lot of games this season the Pats had huge early leads on teams and then the prevent defense allowed a lot of pass yards to teams playing catch up. Notice how both the Packers and Pats and ranked last and second last in total defense, and pass defense, but both are in the top 15 for rush defense.
The fact is the Pats were top ten ranked team in fumbles caused and recovered, a top 5 3rd percentage defense, and a top 15 scoring defense. They also make the top half in sacks (while the Colts are in the bottom 3), and are at the top in interceptions. To say no Colts defense is even close to as bad as that is a joke.
And you don't think offense and special teams can effect yards by a defense? Every 20 to 30 yard punt or kickoff return can really help a bad defense look better in the eyes of the stats.
And the bottom line is come playoff time they were just as good as anybody else. And both defenses played pretty close to each other in the Superbowl. The difference is that the Pats offense had a QB that gave the other team the ball twice and the Giants offense had a QB that gave the other team the ball zero times.
OG Jaydc:
Turnovers are a very poor measuring stick of a defense. More sensationist journalism shallow? Turnovers veer radically game to game season to season. How many times do defenders drop gimme interceptions? They are a random stat that have nothing to do with anything really. Yes, certain qbs throw more because they take more risks but Tom Brady isn't one of them. Eli should have been picked off at least three times by sf.But fumbles? Really shallow? Like that's a star that should be a measuring stick of a defense? Rofl. And you say I don't know football and your bring up fumble stats. Give me a break.What's next are you going to tell me whichever DBS have the highest interceptions are the best DBS in the season? Because sury by your logic interceptions are the measuring stick.
The pats were playing with scrubs in the secondary, fourth and fifth string safeties most of the season. They stunk. The reason the pats were in the top 15 in rush defense is because that's their only strength. Vince wilfork sees to that, he's a top three nose tackle in the league.
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