Pac Was Going Back To Rikers !

[Black Excellence]

i was watching this shit from bomb1st.com. a nigga named dogman who worked at death row records had some interesting things to say. one of a few was the fact that pac was out on bail and was scheduled to go back to jail the month after he was killed. i remember pac alluding to him rather being dead than in jail in an interview.  anybody got insight on this guy ?

[Sleazy]

You mean like "death by cop" but instead "death by gangsta". Well I suppose that is one way to see the situation, after all it was his own actions that got him killed. But no I don't think it was a conscious decision on Pac's part to commit suicide in this way.

[Black Excellence]

You mean like "death by cop" but instead "death by gangsta". Well I suppose that is one way to see the situation, after all it was his own actions that got him killed. But no I don't think it was a conscious decision on Pac's part to commit suicide in this way.

he didn't wanna be in jail. he knew eventually he would have to go back and after all the shit he talked on records he didn't wanna be sittin' in a new york jail.

[Black Excellence]

i also heard that nigga reggie wright say the same shit. anyone who got  bomb1st.com  shit it's there to find.

[V2DHeart]

He probably would have went to jail, released the One Nation whilst in jail, and quit rapping

[Fonky Fresh]

I very much like this theory. It don't make sense for a nigga wanting to join a set at his age, considering his fame and all unless he's suicidal.
Why not doing himself one may ask (I included). I guess he really wanted to be a "black jesus", not appear weak.

[Hack Wilson - real]

meanwhile Pac is in Cuba laughing at all yall 

[Black Excellence]

I very much like this theory. It don't make sense for a nigga wanting to join a set at his age, considering his fame and all unless he's suicidal.
Why not doing himself one may ask (I included). I guess he really wanted to be a "black jesus", not appear weak.

something to ponder.

[Blasphemy (A)]

I very much like this theory. It don't make sense for a nigga wanting to join a set at his age, considering his fame and all unless he's suicidal.
Why not doing himself one may ask (I included). I guess he really wanted to be a "black jesus", not appear weak.

lol people are stupid to not think he didn't join the bloods during his death row era. He got MOB Blood Tattoos, he named check MOB Blood OGs, and His last major act was acting a rival crip set.2pac didn't have a record until he got famous, people said he felt like he had to live the life style or some shit. It's true he was going back to jail though, when he assaulted Orlando Anderson he violated his parole by committing a crime (assault), if he had survived the shooting, they'd send him to jail just like with his Original New York shooting.

2pac may have been smart, and had a lot of good ideas, just like most people, but just like most people they also make decisions that don't match up to their intelligence. He knew he was on parole, everyone knows casinos have cameras. He ignored that shit, and the worse case scenario DID happen, which is he died.

You can like any theory, but reality is reality. HAd he been a mere associate he probably wouldn't of been told about it. The original situation if I Remember didn't involve him, so he'd have no reason to fight him other then his duties as a banger, even then most would know the previous and avoid it cause they trying to stay free. He made a stupid move, simple as that, it was just a random act of gang-violence, which usually always derives from previous encounters. people who claim it was a set up, or he was killed because of the illuminati are just fucking retards, with too much time on their hands, trying to take any peace of information to form a theory, because they can't accept reality.

[G-Bee]

As far as Pac's gang affiliation goes, this is my understanding of it:

Pac was trying to turn the gangs into a political force (like the Panthers). To do that, of course he had to get active and build credibility. So the whole gangster bravado you hear on All Eyez On Me was the first step, to get peoples attention (like the title suggests). After that, he wanted to bring unity, hence the One Nation project. He knew that it's no use to start preaching right away, because nobody is going to listen. Sadly, he didn't get the chance to put that next step into motion and y'all are left thinking he acted gangster for the fuck of it.

[Tutlock]

he acted gangster because it made him more famous. hence the title all eyez on me . 

i don´t think he was dumb and megalomaniac enough to think hundreds of thousands of gang members  would put away their animosities just because of Tupac Shakur said "hey, this is not nice" .

dude was 25 , like most idealists do when they grow up, they start acting against their old ways without even seeing it themselves.



  he would´ve probably gone doing something else later but how do we know, we´re just euros with theories. the man died and left all these conspiracies behind him just like he seemed to plan it .

 

[Blasphemy (A)]

As far as Pac's gang affiliation goes, this is my understanding of it:

Pac was trying to turn the gangs into a political force (like the Panthers). To do that, of course he had to get active and build credibility. So the whole gangster bravado you hear on All Eyez On Me was the first step, to get peoples attention (like the title suggests). After that, he wanted to bring unity, hence the One Nation project. He knew that it's no use to start preaching right away, because nobody is going to listen. Sadly, he didn't get the chance to put that next step into motion and y'all are left thinking he acted gangster for the fuck of it.

Actually his GAng Affiliation would of infact been Detrimental to that. Tupac had already started working on that tip earlier in the 90s during his political era, IE by helping the Crips and bloods put out a peace treaty, so him getting the streets behind him wasn't a problem, what pushed tupac towards blood affiliation and validation was simply Death Row and Suge Knight.  Tupac was still political but like most people who are, their Ideas are just ideas, rarely will they put em into action, because reality will always force you to act differently.  He became a gangster despite the fact he had no fucking need too, and was stupid for doing so, and can't accept it, then you living in a denial.

[G-Bee]

he acted gangster because it made him more famous. hence the title all eyez on me . 

i don´t think he was dumb and megalomaniac enough to think hundreds of thousands of gang members  would put away their animosities just because of Tupac Shakur said "hey, this is not nice" .

No of course not. But if you can take that animosity/anger and control it, or at least aim it in the right direction, you've got a whole other situation. I think that is what pac was aiming for.

[The Troll]

ROFL!

[DeeezNuuuts83]

As far as Pac's gang affiliation goes, this is my understanding of it:

Pac was trying to turn the gangs into a political force (like the Panthers). To do that, of course he had to get active and build credibility. So the whole gangster bravado you hear on All Eyez On Me was the first step, to get peoples attention (like the title suggests). After that, he wanted to bring unity, hence the One Nation project. He knew that it's no use to start preaching right away, because nobody is going to listen. Sadly, he didn't get the chance to put that next step into motion and y'all are left thinking he acted gangster for the fuck of it.

Actually his GAng Affiliation would of infact been Detrimental to that. Tupac had already started working on that tip earlier in the 90s during his political era, IE by helping the Crips and bloods put out a peace treaty, so him getting the streets behind him wasn't a problem, what pushed tupac towards blood affiliation and validation was simply Death Row and Suge Knight.  Tupac was still political but like most people who are, their Ideas are just ideas, rarely will they put em into action, because reality will always force you to act differently.  He became a gangster despite the fact he had no fucking need too, and was stupid for doing so, and can't accept it, then you living in a denial.

I've always thought about that.  Obviously Pac's ultimate goal had always been unity from day one, but he almost seemed like he was trying to do too much all at once by getting the entire country to rally behind his cause.  But you can go from being a regular guy to being the President of the United States all in one shot... you have to start somewhere, like they all did.

After realizing that, Pac probably tried to work from the inside out, scaling down his target audience each time to focus on that group to get their loyalty, but of course he'd still be aiming too high.  2Pacalypse Now seemed like he was trying to holler at the entire Black America by showcasing his Black Panther roots and injecting a lot of that into his lyrics, but that only got him so far.  Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z... got him a little closer to the streets, and then the Thug Life album more or less served as a soundtrack to his Thug Life Code where he had tried to organize a lot of the gangs and their leaders nationwide to keep business as usual while trying to make the streets safer for their communities.  But again, he got caught up with the wrong people and ended up getting shot and convicted of sexual abuse, as you all know.

So Pac regrouped and went back out West on Death Row and just focused on the West, which worked out well, given the success of his album.  And with success came loyalty, but being around Suge and all of his homies who obviously liked Pac and welcomed him into their circle (likely because Pac was just a charismatic guy who wanted to be down while also having been of huge celebrity status) drew him into that.  So Pac got to focus even more on a smaller group, one that grew more loyal to him (and vice versa) and was likely to be people willing to throw down for him.  Then came the affiliation, which allied Pac with a specific group that he identified with and felt empowered by, which allowed him to more or less expand his territory across the map more confidently, so to speak.  Musically, he already had the hip-hop consumer on lock (even though he was beefing with certain people and certain groups within New York weren't feeling him, but he still had enough of a stronghold of the industry as a musician, though it was to be addressed by releasing One Nation which would show those not in-the-know that he didn't hate the East Coast, despite what he may have already said before) and was continuing to expand aggressively, being allied with various people holding down other areas between the coasts, like Scarface and his region, Bone Thugs and the midwest, etc.  And going back to his roots, he had even been injecting political lyrics into his music more and more, evident from the Makaveli album.  But street-wise, Pac was already rolling with prominent gang members in Compton, shouting out their set constantly and even naming them in songs (like someone else mentioned earlier), eventually even putting in work on their behalf by stepping to Orlando Anderson, which obviously ended up being a horrible decision.

So obviously Pac's devotion took a wrong turn, as we all know.  But the gang affiliation, while commonly detrimental, could've been utilized in a manner to unite the streets because people would identify with him more and feel like he had a better understanding of what they go through, more so than a few years prior when he was just saying "Thug Life," which seemed too general for people to truly follow, and in hindsight, it seemed a little theatrical in some sense.  But additionally, the general public that follows hip-hop music is infatuated with the underworld, especially when it comes to gang culture, which obviously reels people in who emulate what they see.  In the late 1990s and early 2000s, you had people Crip Walking left and right (even Kurupt's G-TV DVD has a clip of a white girl in heels trying to do it), and in the past several years you have everyone in the industry thinking that they're Bloods now, with crowds of people with red bandannas and Washington or Cincinatti hats.  With that kind of interest from the public but controlled by Pac, who would've likely thrown more lessons at his following, he may have gotten them to be more community-oriented and into unity as he had intended, whereas most others who had been in those positions only exploit it to their benefit.