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The Awaking and Realization That Ron Paul Sold You Out, and Obama Sold Me Out
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 24, 2012, 12:17:54 PM ---We'll see, but I was calling the Ron Paul shit in 2008. Look it up. I just actually am able to back that up now.
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A man can still want his son to succeed at what his son believes and not believe in it himself. I don't think Ronald Reagan ever got in little Ron Regan's way, and had Ronnie Reagan not stuck to his athiest guns and ran as a democrat in 2004 I think he'd have beaten Bush, based on his name AND his father's support alone.
Talk about a set of presidential debates worth a lot of entertainment highlight reels.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 24, 2012, 12:17:54 PM ---We'll see, but I was calling the Ron Paul shit in 2008. Look it up. I just actually am able to back that up now.
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I remember you coming with this back in 2008. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. Just face it, Ron Paul is the truth.
Chamillitary Click:
Honestly, I think it's pretty naive to think that just because you have some relation close to Washington that all the corruption and secrets are thrown at you. If that were the case, every Joe-Schmo that gets close to Washington would know & it would leak and spread like wildfire. There are things only a highly select few know about. It doesn't take a politics major to know there is corruption in government. There is corruption in the Ice Cream truck business. If money is exchanging, there is corruption.
Then again, I'm an extremist to the point of Jrome.
jeromechickenbone:
Really what this is, is you partially acknowledging being duped, but youre unable to take it like a man. So now you're in here trying to say Ron Paul was a setup from the beginning to get Rand in the white house in 2012? That's some wild assumptions bro. Ron has been in congress since 1988 as both a libertarian and GOP candidate. So I don't think the fix has been in for 24 years, as Paul has always been despised by the establishment yet highly respected amongst his constituents because of his principals.
As far as the convention was concerned, it is possible that there will be a brokered convention if one of the candidates doesn't reach the minimum amount of delegates. Basically then all bets are off, and this is where someone like Rand, JEB BUSH, or Sarah Palin could get ushered in. Jeb and GW senior visited Obama at the white house about 2 months ago, reported on drudge.
Like I said, Rand is def no Ron, more of a warhawk and more influenced by Israel. That changes nothing about Ron Paul.
You haven't said shit since 2008 and aren't saying shit now. Peace
Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation):
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 19, 2012, 09:45:39 PM ---Let's lay down some guild lines, I still don't believe in this New World Order, Illuminati, dollar bill type shit. But I do think something is up in Washington. As I get older, and my college friends get deeper into their careers, I have really good friends in Washington, I mean really really good friends. I have friends that have direct contact with people in Obama's cabinet, who are the right hand person for a senator, or congressman. These are Washington insiders who work directly with people you see in the news everyday. Talking to them, visiting Washington, I have learned more about Washington and the people that work in it than I ever could imagine. Notice I didn't say run Washington. Here is what I have learned.
Throw out Democrats and Republicans right now, although it actually means something, this is not important to what I'm about to say. Democrat and Republican mean something in congress, it's huge. There is so much going on it's sad. Everything you see on TV in the news, yes these people are dysfunctional. But that's not the important part. What's important is that senators and representatives are allowed to stay on too long. Here is the problem, the longer they stay, the more and more corrupt they become. Washington is a place that can easily corrupt you, and once you are corrupt, you are now useless to the people you serve.
The Tea Party has NO idea how government works. I had a friend attend a Tea Party meeting, and it was basically the Tea Party leaders yelling at congress people that they have failed and that they have not repealed Obamacare, they have not cut taxes yet. Basically the Tea Party thought after 2010, that the Tea Party would run over the Democrats. The Democrats have the same type of people on the other side, not the corrupt people, but liberal warriors like Dennis Kucinich, Barney Sanders, Mike Gravel in the 70's, these are real deal liberals who actually believe they are doing the right thing for the country. Now the Tea Party is the real deal group who also think they are doing right by their country. But the people who are actually trying to do right are the ones basically cancelling each other out. And there is a huge chunk in the middle who are only out for themselves, think Ted Kennedy, Joe Libermann, John McCain, Barney Frank, and the list goes on and on. These people set the agenda, they are the ones who basically run congress. The peoples house is ran by people who have been in too long. Congress can truly represent the people, it's impossible to control who gets into congress. Of course the belief is that no one has to buy seats when the establishment is fairly certain any normal person would eventually become corrupted by Washington's culture. Most people's senator or representative can be contacted, and for the most part they listen. But some of you know, if your congress person has so many years in the house or senate, they are out of touch with their state, their district and reality.
The White House has a set agenda. Everyone who has meet Obama has said the same thing, his the most approachable guy they've meet, he knows your name and remembers it very quickly and he loves to joke. He also comes off as the most intelligent man you've ever meet. Also, everyone said is very genuine when he talks. The people around him are also suppose to be the same way. But no matter how much Obama looks you in the eye, agrees with you and said he'll make it better, it never gets better. The White House does not seem to be ran by Obama, but everyone else around him. He has people around him who do not fit his ideals, yet these people make the decisions and Obama comes off as this hero for the middle class but in reality does nothing he said he'd do. Something controls the White House, something sets the agenda and something controls what the president does. And it's not the president. This leads me to my next thing.
The president is a figure head. The reason nothing much has changed from Bush to Obama as far as how the presidency is done, is because something is setting what the president does. Obama maybe one of the smartest men that people have meet, but his not the one controlling the country. His just the figure head. Under Obama, we still could go to war any second, even though Obama himself is against war. Under Obama, even though he truly believes in investing in education, and even proposed to increase funding education, at the end of the day his budget will always flat fund education. Obama is not acting on how he believes, his acting on how someone is telling him to act. So how did we get such a president.
Well looking at who runs for president, there is always these characteristics. The establishment who are the gate keepers of the White House allow certain people to run. If they like you, you can run. They allow certain people to run as a voice different than theirs so that people can believe we have a democracy. Ron Paul in 2008, Mike Gravel in 2008, Dennis Kucinich in 2004 and 2008, Michele Bachmann in 2012. They are not part of the establishment, but the establishment allows them to voice themselves so you think you are being represented. In order to actually be a serious person for president though, you have to sell yourself. Clinton in 1992 was sat down and told how his presidency was going to go. Bush was already connected and Dick Cheney even made himself vice-president. Obama, not sure but I'm getting a full idea talking to my insider friends. It sounds like his cabinet was chosen for him coming in, so he might have been picked once he started to pull away from Clinton. It's said Hillary is not in good health right now, and that might have been known going in so Obama was her replacement. But the presidency is basically theater. Enjoy the show.
And yes, Ron Paul sold out. Rand Paul is the talk to be a serious VP candidate. Ron Paul's goal is his son's future more so than the people. Paul was a warrior, but he wants his son to finally get to where he couldn't get to. I know a person who not only knows Rand Paul, but rode from Kentucky to Washington DC with him. She talked to him about many issues, and he seemed to agree. The moment they got to Washington, he got out the car and simply said to her, "Ma'am I think you made wonderful points, but I just can't buy it." Paul's issues are not his own, they are set by someone who is grooming him to use his father's name to unite the Republican Party in the next 8 years. It might be this year as a VP candidate, or in 2016. The same in the Democrat said is being talked about, but Hillary is said to not be doing well. One friend said she looked "dead." So if Paul is not on the ticket this year, look for Obama to win, if Paul is on the ticket this year, look for Romney to win.
Oh yeah, your vote counts, it really does. But don't think it matters on the national level. The president's agenda is already set. Obama hasn't talked tough on gas prices, why? Because he can't do anything about it. The guys running, they know that too. In congress you have to find honest people who are in the representative positions. The establishment counts on people selling their souls for power. Most congressmen and women do. The establishment lets your Ron Pauls and Dennis Kucinichs do what they do, because for everyone of them, there are 10 who sold their soul. It's just the facts of life.
Now I am very involved in my local Democratic Party. I am a committee member, I am a director of our PAC, now Super PAC. I can honestly say, local politics is honest politics, except for those that grab power and try to control it. From what I'm learning, this is the best action, because it's locally that determines who gets sent nationally. So there is hope, but it takes everyone actually getting involved, not just on this board but nationally. And that's something the establishment knows will never happen.
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