OMG, Hood Surgeon, Lil Eazy, & Waxxie should team to make a new generation N.W.A

[Sir Petey]

yella and ren should over see the whole shit and not let dre or cube have any input lmao

[Jimmy H.]

some interesting storylines would come out of it...imagine if they could collab with the OG members for a track with all 8 of them. shit, even get Yella's son to DJ lol. cant say that the idea doesnt have potential...it all depends on how it was done and how good the final product came out. execution could be the difference between a sad attempt and a classic. of course, certain aspects of doing this could stunt the individual growth of each son...but i wouldnt suggest this if they weren't already being ignored. not like they have a career reputation to maintain or are on the path to great success. they're all underground artists generating little to no interest...this could spark some. all i'm sayin.

No. The shit would be embarassing. It subscribes to the worst kind of logic and I'm not saying it doesn't have limited business potential but it's never going to be "classic" or even a respectable artistic move. That's why I favor the sports world when it comes to breaking stars as opposed to the entertainment world. Money and wishful thinking can create the illusion of "talent" when it comes to some of these guys because fans are so hyped off re-creating more of the same but in, basketball, for instance, Michael Jordan's kid can't become an All-Star if he don't have the skills. I'm not saying artists like OMG, Hood Surgeon, and the like shouldn't get their chance but fans need to stop riding so much dick on this blanket dream of having the "next generation" of N.W.A. That group was created out in a much different time and under much different circumstances. And sadly, it's the same with all these Death Row reunion ideas. Artists evolve and move in new directions. Snoop and Dre might some songs with Daz, Kurupt, Warren, whoever, and it could be dope but people need to get off that "they need to produce and collab with the same exact people as my favorite year they were over at Death Row". It's 15+ years later and the clock is still moving forward, not backwards. 

[Sccit]

some interesting storylines would come out of it...imagine if they could collab with the OG members for a track with all 8 of them. shit, even get Yella's son to DJ lol. cant say that the idea doesnt have potential...it all depends on how it was done and how good the final product came out. execution could be the difference between a sad attempt and a classic. of course, certain aspects of doing this could stunt the individual growth of each son...but i wouldnt suggest this if they weren't already being ignored. not like they have a career reputation to maintain or are on the path to great success. they're all underground artists generating little to no interest...this could spark some. all i'm sayin.

No. The shit would be embarassing. It subscribes to the worst kind of logic and I'm not saying it doesn't have limited business potential but it's never going to be "classic" or even a respectable artistic move. That's why I favor the sports world when it comes to breaking stars as opposed to the entertainment world. Money and wishful thinking can create the illusion of "talent" when it comes to some of these guys because fans are so hyped off re-creating more of the same but in, basketball, for instance, Michael Jordan's kid can't become an All-Star if he don't have the skills. I'm not saying artists like OMG, Hood Surgeon, and the like shouldn't get their chance but fans need to stop riding so much dick on this blanket dream of having the "next generation" of N.W.A. That group was created out in a much different time and under much different circumstances. And sadly, it's the same with all these Death Row reunion ideas. Artists evolve and move in new directions. Snoop and Dre might some songs with Daz, Kurupt, Warren, whoever, and it could be dope but people need to get off that "they need to produce and collab with the same exact people as my favorite year they were over at Death Row". It's 15+ years later and the clock is still moving forward, not backwards. 

like i said, it all depends on how it was executed. what if they actually put together a really great album with top-notch production? u can say it subscribes to the worst kind of logic, and i agree with that. but to claim it would have no chance at being good is a major presumption. even if it wasn't a respectable artistic move, if the songs were all executed properly and came out bangin', it would automatically erase a lot of the negative notions surrounding it. as for your basketball analogy, u said michael jordan's son couldn't become a superstar unless he was good...well, same goes for rappers children. how many of them became something? bet that if any of them would produce a classic album and made quality music, they would generate a whole lot more interest and stardom. it's all a matter of quality...if dre and snoop made a reuinion album and it came out sub-par, it would get laughed at...if they got together and brought us yet another classic, everyone would love it like no other. execution is key.

[Black Excellence]

if done right, shit could turn out nice...they might as well, considerin they aint really gettin much attention as it is. this could draw a lot of interest:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/lDc-uo1-VTk" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/lDc-uo1-VTk</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/swH5ff-G4uo" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/swH5ff-G4uo</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/x-H08eATPF0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/x-H08eATPF0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/XZEZJoEfm7E" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/XZEZJoEfm7E</a>

not a good idea.

[Jimmy H.]

like i said, it all depends on how it was executed. what if they actually put together a really great album with top-notch production? u can say it subscribes to the worst kind of logic, and i agree with that. but to claim it would have no chance at being good is a major presumption. even if it wasn't a respectable artistic move, if the songs were all executed properly and came out bangin', it would automatically erase a lot of the negative notions surrounding it. as for your basketball analogy, u said michael jordan's son couldn't become a superstar unless he was good...well, same goes for rappers children. how many of them became something? bet that if any of them would produce a classic album and made quality music, they would generate a whole lot more interest and stardom. it's all a matter of quality...if dre and snoop made a reuinion album and it came out sub-par, it would get laughed at...if they got together and brought us yet another classic, everyone would love it like no other. execution is key.

The difference here in my ball analogy is the "top-notch production" you point to. You can take a subpar artist and put him in a room with great producers and you have an album that SOUNDS amazing. Yes, a lot of people might even claim it as "great" but great producers can hide mediocrity behind solid production, that's what they make their living doing. Where as surrounding a mediocre ball player with the best coaches and teammates won't mask that.  It's just plain a shitty idea. It's the gangsta rap version of a boy band. You throw people together with no actual chemistry and coach them into trying to fit a mold. Could it equal a product that is on the surface, presentable? Sure, why not? But you grab a bunch of average rappers out of any recording studio and put the N.W.A. brand behind them and you'd run the same odds of success. I actually think the reason why music is so lousy is because of how production-driven it is. Yes, you need a gimmick to get the sales but how many rappers are actually "artists" anymore?

[Sccit]

But you grab a bunch of average rappers out of any recording studio and put the N.W.A. brand behind them and you'd run the same odds of success.

exactly...but this would generate a lot more interest than doin it wit a bunch of random dudes from compton. as for the basketball analogy, i'd still say if you are a mediocre player, a good coach would know how to make u look good. same with a mediocre rapper sounding good under the right producers. basketball and rap are actually VERY similar, as is any art form.

[Jimmy H.]

Basketball is not an art form, it's athletic competition. And I stand by that it's not the same. Rap to me is like wrestling. In that, you can be the least skilled person on a technical level but still draw the most money if you have the right gimmick. When it's all a show, you can have people behind-the-scenes finding ways to enhance your strengths and hide your weaknesses. With actual athletics, you might have a staff of people who are hired to hide your weaknesses but then you have an entire opposing staff whose job is to find and exploit them so it doesn't work.

And I'm not entirely sure it would generate more interest.  It's a really half-baked idea. I think throwing any group of people together to make music will likely garner mediocre results, even if the beats are proper. A gimmick might get you noticed but good music has to come from a different space and hey, maybe it COULD happen but you're not putting artists together for creative purposes, you're looking at it like a cute hypothetical because these people's fathers happened to be a legendary group. The best second-generation artists are the ones who respect their legacy but choose to go in a different path. This seems like such a "West Coast rap fan" way of thinking. I mean, I don't remember anyone in the 80's or 90's saying "Wouldn't it be cool if Mick Jagger and Keith Richards' kids started their own band together".

[Funkstradamus]

bad idea...too many different styles...

[Sccit]

Basketball is not an art form, it's athletic competition. And I stand by that it's not the same. Rap to me is like wrestling. In that, you can be the least skilled person on a technical level but still draw the most money if you have the right gimmick. When it's all a show, you can have people behind-the-scenes finding ways to enhance your strengths and hide your weaknesses. With actual athletics, you might have a staff of people who are hired to hide your weaknesses but then you have an entire opposing staff whose job is to find and exploit them so it doesn't work.

And I'm not entirely sure it would generate more interest.  It's a really half-baked idea. I think throwing any group of people together to make music will likely garner mediocre results, even if the beats are proper. A gimmick might get you noticed but good music has to come from a different space and hey, maybe it COULD happen but you're not putting artists together for creative purposes, you're looking at it like a cute hypothetical because these people's fathers happened to be a legendary group. The best second-generation artists are the ones who respect their legacy but choose to go in a different path. This seems like such a "West Coast rap fan" way of thinking. I mean, I don't remember anyone in the 80's or 90's saying "Wouldn't it be cool if Mick Jagger and Keith Richards' kids started their own band together".

i get what u sayin, but there are more similarities between basketball and rap than u realize. another similarity would be a coach to a producer...if u had a great producer in the studio guiding the rappers through each verse, that producers vision would have a huge impact on the final product, similar to a coaches on his teams basketball game. it's sort of like khayree and mac mall. mac mall wasn't the greatest rapper when he came out, but with khayree's guidance in the studio and top notch production, khayree was able to put out a classic with mac mall rappin every song. in essence, it was a khayree album moreso than it was a mac mall album. i guess the point i'm makin is yes, it is a half baked idea, but yes, it also can be successful if done right. i get ya point, though.

[GangstaBoogy]

+1 for the Waxxie song.
Never heard of him but this shit is nice. This is Ren's son?

[Jimmy H.]

i get what u sayin, but there are more similarities between basketball and rap than u realize. another similarity would be a coach to a producer...if u had a great producer in the studio guiding the rappers through each verse, that producers vision would have a huge impact on the final product, similar to a coaches on his teams basketball game. it's sort of like khayree and mac mall. mac mall wasn't the greatest rapper when he came out, but with khayree's guidance in the studio and top notch production, khayree was able to put out a classic with mac mall rappin every song. in essence, it was a khayree album moreso than it was a mac mall album. i guess the point i'm makin is yes, it is a half baked idea, but yes, it also can be successful if done right. i get ya point, though.

Still not seeing it. A great producer has his hands in the music to the degree where you can take the wackest shit in the planet and manufacture the fuck out of it to where it is a hit. You could put a shit-bum in that studio with Dr. Dre and all them talented kids who are in there writing songs and learning their craft and might be the fakest shit in the world but nobody would know any better when they heard the end product. Ideally if you have an artist that is raw but talented, it could be the coach-player relationship but on the reverse end, it's not comparable. You can't take a past-his-prime dude with bad knees and limited range and put him in there with Phil Jackson and make him a believable starter. Ain't no Minilli Vanillis in the NBA.

I mean, let's look at Vanilla Ice. Total manufactured job but his music was solid. People never gave two shits about it until his image got exposed. Think about it. People never cared that he was a studio puppet. They cared that he wasn't the image he portrayed. If his image was on the up and up, nobody would have cared that his entire album was designed FOR him. Sports don't work that way. A coach can't auto-tune your fucking jump shot. You can hire the greatest P.R. firm in the world, you can't score some points, nobody is buying your jersey.

But let's get to the closer. So we're both agreeing it's half-baked but could be succesful? The question I'm asking is what's the point? Why not get behind an idea that actually has some creativity behind it. Why push medicority?

[Sccit]

i get what u sayin, but there are more similarities between basketball and rap than u realize. another similarity would be a coach to a producer...if u had a great producer in the studio guiding the rappers through each verse, that producers vision would have a huge impact on the final product, similar to a coaches on his teams basketball game. it's sort of like khayree and mac mall. mac mall wasn't the greatest rapper when he came out, but with khayree's guidance in the studio and top notch production, khayree was able to put out a classic with mac mall rappin every song. in essence, it was a khayree album moreso than it was a mac mall album. i guess the point i'm makin is yes, it is a half baked idea, but yes, it also can be successful if done right. i get ya point, though.

Still not seeing it. A great producer has his hands in the music to the degree where you can take the wackest shit in the planet and manufacture the fuck out of it to where it is a hit. You could put a shit-bum in that studio with Dr. Dre and all them talented kids who are in there writing songs and learning their craft and might be the fakest shit in the world but nobody would know any better when they heard the end product. Ideally if you have an artist that is raw but talented, it could be the coach-player relationship but on the reverse end, it's not comparable. You can't take a past-his-prime dude with bad knees and limited range and put him in there with Phil Jackson and make him a believable starter. Ain't no Minilli Vanillis in the NBA.

I mean, let's look at Vanilla Ice. Total manufactured job but his music was solid. People never gave two shits about it until his image got exposed. Think about it. People never cared that he was a studio puppet. They cared that he wasn't the image he portrayed. If his image was on the up and up, nobody would have cared that his entire album was designed FOR him. Sports don't work that way. A coach can't auto-tune your fucking jump shot. You can hire the greatest P.R. firm in the world, you can't score some points, nobody is buying your jersey.

But let's get to the closer. So we're both agreeing it's half-baked but could be succesful? The question I'm asking is what's the point? Why not get behind an idea that actually has some creativity behind it. Why push medicority?

like i said, it's not 100% the same, but the similarities are there...u say what can a coach do for a broke jump shot? well, there are shooting coaches who teach mechanics, form, selection, etc. a shooting coach can teach a player how to have a legit jumpshot...then the head coach inserts said player to spots on the floor where he can be most effective, thus maximizing potential of said player by utilizing his strengths. it's really not exactly the same, but the similarities are there.

as for your question, why push mediocrity? cuz they can garner some legit attention if they did that...obviously, no one is lookin for them now. but if they did this, they would most likely get some nice exposure, be it negative or not. exposure is exposure, right? like i said, if i saw their careers goin somewhere, i woulda never suggested this. but this would almost certainly create some more interest.

[Chamillitary Click]

NIK, you & your buddies already completely jock an entire old, unoriginal sound of music. Do you want everyone & their mother to just copy, flow for flow, bar for bar, beat for beat shit that's fifteen years old?

[Sccit]

NIK, you & your buddies already completely jock an entire old, unoriginal sound of music. Do you want everyone & their mother to just copy, flow for flow, bar for bar, beat for beat shit that's fifteen years old?

yes

[Lucifuge]

Ren's son and Dre's son's are not bad. Cube's and Eazy's... wack as fuck-