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Went on another Muslim trip through some masjids in America last week
morbidenigma:
--- Quote from: morbidenigma on June 13, 2012, 06:41:02 PM ---
If that's true then why don't you find one verse in the Qu'ran that states that or says anything even remotely close to that.
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firstly fuck what the quran says, its not a contempary historical document.
Secondly if you wanna look at the quran, nowhere in the quran does it deny that allah is the pagan moon god
it's a historical fact that allah was the pagan moon good which predates islam.
EDUCATE YOURSELF NIGGA
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: morbidenigma on June 13, 2012, 06:41:43 PM ---
firstly fuck what the quran says, its not a contempary historical document.
Secondly if you wanna look at the quran, nowhere in the quran does it deny that allah is the pagan moon god
it's a historical fact that allah was the pagan moon good which predates islam.
EDUCATE YOURSELF NIGGA
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Qu'ran verses 6:77-6:79
"When he saw the moon rising, he said, "Maybe this is my Lord!" When it disappeared, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will be with the strayers."
When he saw the sun rising, he said, "This must be my Lord. This is the biggest." But when it set, he said, "O my people, I denounce your idolatry.
"I have devoted myself absolutely to the One who initiated the heavens and the earth; I will never be an idol worshiper."
^^^There you have it right there. The Qu'ran is telling the story of the Prophet Abraham thinking that maybe the moon was Allah, but then the moon disapeared during the daytime. So then he thought maybe the sun was Allah, but then it set, so he knew it wasn't God. Finally he realized that God must be the force that initiates the movement of the sun, moon, and all the heavenly bodies.
...So what we have on one hand is what you say Allah is. And on the other hand we have what the Qu'ran says Allah is. Which source is the more logical source to turn to?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Furor Teutonicus on June 10, 2012, 03:47:14 AM ---
Oh yeah and you believe in a retarded religion that thinks it can command people to follow them like sheep, impose an archaic law code like the sharia and tell people what they are allowed to eat and drink. It's nice to know that you follow a vague entity that you know nothing of, yet you use this entity to force a strict code of behaviour upon people because a self-apppointed prophet tells you so. And even worse, you prosecute people who don't follow your stupid ideology.
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I don't support Shariah.. I don't support any theocracy, Muslim or Christian. I'm actually a Libertarian and Ron Paul supporter.
morbidenigma:
abraham is a completely mytholgical figure you tool. even so the quran story is being told in the 8th-9th century(to when the quran is dated according to carbon dating) and abraham was allegedly around thousands of years before that.
Anyobdy's logic is more logical then the foolish quran. A person who has the limited knowledge we now have in the 21st century, will be more logical then 8th-9th folklore.
As for that verse you completely interpreted to your benefit beyond and stretch of the imagination.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: morbidenigma on June 14, 2012, 07:27:42 AM ---
As for that verse you completely interpreted to your benefit beyond and stretch of the imagination.
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I have hundreds more verses to prove you wrong. Because this is the primary subject of the Qu'ran. The whole point of the Qu'ran, to get people away from idol worship and worshiping people or objects (such as the moon) that are in creation, and worshiping the Creator that is behind all of those things. Here's another one for you...
6:96
"At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient."
...So how could Allah be the moon if Allah is controlling the sun and moon as described in this verse? The point of the verse is to show Allah's almighty, omniscience, that is higher than that of the moon. That is clear and doesn't take my "imagination" to interpret.
--- Quote from: morbidenigma on June 14, 2012, 07:27:42 AM ---
abraham is a completely mytholgical figure you tool. even so the quran story is being told in the 8th-9th century(to when the quran is dated according to carbon dating) and abraham was allegedly around thousands of years before that.
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The Qu'ran was referring to the story of Abraham. And descibing how many Prophets throughout time came with a similar message as Muhammad; that message being to worship God alone, the Creator. (And not the "moon" as you would have it). And I agree with you that Abraham was a mythological character. The Qu'ran states in verse 3:8 that is is an allegorical book. So it often uses allegory, stories to stimulate a persons belief in God. The Prophet Muhammad was inspired to reveal the Qu'ran, and he was influenced by old stories such as this one about Abraham.
--- Quote from: morbidenigma on June 14, 2012, 07:27:42 AM ---
Anyobdy's logic is more logical then the foolish quran. A person who has the limited knowledge we now have in the 21st century, will be more logical then 8th-9th folklore.
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That's fine if you want to believe that but that's not the argument at hand. You were trying to prove to me that Allah is a Moon God. So I was merely proving to you that according the the Qu'ran Allah is not a moon God. And that when it comes to the subject of Islam I think your average college professor would be more likely to consult the Qu'ran to find out what Islam is, rather than you. Any college professor would tell you that if they wanted to know what Christianity was, a likely source would be the Bible, and not some random poster on the dubcc. Same with Islam. A likely source if you want to know what Islam teaches Allah is, would be to reference the Qu'ran. And not a random poster on the dubcc, like yourself.
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