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Phil Jackson , to the poeple that say hes just a good coach

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Javier:


Phil Jackson gets lil credit from fans.  Why? Because they think since Phil has had great players on his teams, those are the only reasons he has 9 rings.  WEll first of all not any coach could have done this. Doug Collins couldnt do it during the Pre Phil Bulls, and Del Harris couldnt do it during the Pre Phil Lakers.  So what is special about him?  The way he can transform a group of stars into a team?  The way he controlled JOrdan to become more of a team player?   The guy that suggested Jordan to develop a 3 pt threat?  He only shot 18% before he met Phil, then his 3PTFG% rose dramatically.  Or is it the way PHil got Shaq and Kobe to play together and not bitch?  Or is it the Zen?!  WELL u know what, its all of the above.  Thanks to Phil, my fav. team has gotten 3 rings.

Here is a little segment from a biography of Phil at NBA.com, so is it the players or Phil?





Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

S.G.V.:
what about Pat Riley?...he got rings with the Lakers(with Magic etc)..but he couldnt do it with the Knicks and still cant do it with The Heat...

verdict

the players make the team...the coach helps...but without the right players...ur gettin nowhere...

E. J. Rizo:

--- Quote from: S.G.V. on February 24, 2003, 01:22:48 PM ---what about Pat Riley?...he got rings with the Lakers(with Magic etc)..but he couldnt do it with the Knicks and still cant do it with The Heat...

verdict

the players make the team...the coach helps...but without the right players...ur gettin nowhere...

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i agree with both of you that you need some good players as well but phil does not get the credit he deserves most of the time too......like said what happen to the lakers before phil??? it was the same team.......he is a great coach and one of the all time greats.......but players do play a  big role.......but you cant take anything from phil

TheSheriff:
It's interesting, in virtually every sport but bball, baseball and american football, that the manager or head coach has sole choice over signings.

One reason people like Phil, though extremely capable, can't be compared to early bball coaching greats is cause he doesn't have control over his signings; if he wins with a shitty team, he qualifies, but no coach can.

That, in short, is one of the two reasons that franchise sports suck.

Javier:
to SGV, Phil and Tex created an offense for Jordan, so he can perform at its finest, it took him a year to master it.  TO me its 50/50.  Especially with Phil.

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