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Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: B A N A N A S on January 02, 2013, 03:08:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 02, 2013, 12:39:19 PM ---For reals though, we have a culture problem, and these mass shootings are just an illusion, a distraction from the real problem. People in America don't know how to treat guns. We treat guns as a weekend hobby we do well we get drunk. We don't need gun control, we need people to become educated as to the dangers of guns, and how to properly treat them. We should educate people on guns the same way we educated them on civics, because guns are a civics issue in the US. Don't ban gun, teach people how to use them, clean them, respect them and store them to prevent home accidents. The most recent statistic is that 500 children died in home accidents in 2008. Here are some examples from 2008, I am trying to find more recent examples.
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This is largely inaccurate, no offense. I don't know how many gun owners you know, but I was raised around people who hunt, and people who have guns in their home for protection. Out of let's say 10 households I remember with gun enthusiasts present, 9 of them practiced safe gun ownership. Alcohol was never involved in any firearm activity, not even a beer when hunting. What you're doing with that statement is letting the odd redneck/nigger/cholo's poor gun discipline speak for all gun owners in America and that's not fair. I agree we need more gun education, and support teaching it to the youth and adults regularly, but if you put out statements like that in an environment that matters, someone might believe you and start writing us all off as lazy idiots.
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As a fellow registered gun owner, I would just like to say that if you think 9 out of 10 gun owners are responsible, that means 1 out of 10 is not, and that 1 person does extreme damage to the reputation of every gun owner. I am talking in a very narrow sounding board on dubcc, I have been here 12 years now and I know what I can get away with and who is watching. With that said, I am talking to people on this board, watch out and be responsible. I have met idiots who think a gun is a toy. I have family that leave guns laying around the house. And by the looks of the list of dead children I posted earlier, my family is not the only ones.
It's not fair to have the idiots speak for all gun owners, but it is also not addressing the problem to just ignore the idiots just because the majority of gun owners are responsible. My dad, who is a member of the NRA, Marine and who loads his own rounds as a past time is NOT the problem. But the idiot who leaves a loaded gun under his pillow for his 3 year old to find IS THE PROBLEM. The two guys who get dunk on weekends and go shooting, then wonder how there can be an accident IS THE PROBLEM. We need gun education, my father said when he went to Eisenhower High School in Rialto, CA, there was a gun class. You could even bring a gun to school and they had a place where they teach you how to work on the gun, and clean the gun. Of course he graduated in 1972. When I was in high school, my dad had me transferred out of Rialto because of the crime around the high school is the center of a 4 mile gang war zone. Times have changed.
We have lots of problems to address, but to start on assault rifles and large clips is the WRONG place to start. The place to start is the low hanging fruit. The idiots, the people who give gun owners a bad name. We need to get mental health on there, but we also need to get more education and screening.
Will_B:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 02, 2013, 02:16:57 PM ---No problem, though I will say I don't consider myself anti-gun. My dad is a card carrying member of the NRA and former Marine. BUT he did have me go to every gun safety course before he let me touch a gun, and I technically own a couple of hunting rifles. (though they are still at my dad's house as I don't plan on having guns around my children until they are at least 13 years old.) I just think it's a culture issue. I posted this on my Facebook, a list of the known murders on New Years Day. One day into 2013, and we have this list to chew on.
7 people shot, 1 killed in a party in Columbus, GA
3 people shot and killed in Philly, one was just 17
2 victims were found shot to death in Elizabeth City, NC
A 31 year old man was killed at a social gathering in Suffolk, VA
11 people shot, 1 killed so far this new year in Chicago
A man shot and killed in a Georgia night club
4 people shot, 1 killed, the other three in critical condition in a shooting in Lansing, MI
4 shot, 1 killed in a gas station in Lorain, OH
A man killed his girlfriend in Port Arthur, TX
3 shot, 1 killed as a 19 year old boy died at a party in Clayton, NC
A man was shot to death in Corpus Christi, Texas early this morning
A 15 year old boy was killed visiting a friend for New Years when bullets hit their home in Flint, MI
A man was shot and killed in Indianapolis
And a woman died in Columbus, NC, her boyfriend is being held.
A college student was killed while at his parents house in New Orleans, LA
A man was found shot to death in a front porch in Cleveland, OH
2 men shot and killed in seperate tragidies Milwaukee, WI
A man was shot and killed outside a sports bar in Houston, TX
One day into the new year, it's amazing! Very few of these people were killed by assault rifle. We have a culture problem, and it's time to address it. To hammer it home, I am not in favor of gun restriction, but lately I have been open to owner restriction.
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Damn. That's about 6 months worth in the UK (population around 60million)
It's astonishing
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: Furor Teutonicus on January 01, 2013, 05:48:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on December 31, 2012, 06:59:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Furor Teutonicus on December 29, 2012, 11:48:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikunta Kinte on December 28, 2012, 11:34:23 PM ---Hammers must go. Why are you yanks so obsessed with hardware tools? Just let the government ban them.
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No way. I need to be armed with a hammer to prevent the government from taking my freedom
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What Euro country do you rep? Does it suck knowing that you guys gave your king or whatever all your guns?
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Considering my ava/username it isn't that hard to guess. But nice to see that you still can make these claims despite not even knowing which country I'm from.
Truth is, there are millions of gun owners here (no automatics tho). The difference is that we a) don't have a crazy cult that glorifies guns beyond all sanity and b) we don't live in an anarchistic country.
Actually, it doesn't suck in any way. And frankly we have no king and a more democratic constitution than you. I know that doesn't mean shit in those times were democracy is a chimera but your precious guns didn't stop your government from controlling you either. We don't have crazy uber powerful secret services and we didn't fall for that war on terrorism patriot act bs so I guess it isn't all that bad over here. Yet. Despite the fucking EU regime. But thank you for your interest.
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Pretty much this.
Furor Teutonicus:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 02, 2013, 02:16:57 PM ---No problem, though I will say I don't consider myself anti-gun. My dad is a card carrying member of the NRA and former Marine. BUT he did have me go to every gun safety course before he let me touch a gun, and I technically own a couple of hunting rifles. (though they are still at my dad's house as I don't plan on having guns around my children until they are at least 13 years old.) I just think it's a culture issue. I posted this on my Facebook, a list of the known murders on New Years Day. One day into 2013, and we have this list to chew on.
One day into the new year, it's amazing! Very few of these people were killed by assault rifle. We have a culture problem, and it's time to address it. To hammer it home, I am not in favor of gun restriction, but lately I have been open to owner restriction.
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Well, nice to see that there are some reasonable people left. I consider myself a pacifist, but I can respect private gun ownership if the people who carry them are able to treat them more rational.
Many people love guns so much that they would give them names and keep them in their bed. There are so many idiots around the world who lack any responsibility and mind, let alone mental problems, who you better don't encourage to have guns.
I ain't gonna lie, a gun might be useful in the future when this system collapses.
LooN3y:
theres murders all the time in LA, and basically they get little to no media coverage.
only when it happens in predominant white communities, or the victims happen to be whites that arnt crimnials or drug addicts, .
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