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Lance Armstrong coming forward on Oprah
bouli77:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on January 21, 2013, 03:05:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 21, 2013, 11:40:41 AM ---i think they need to stop makin a big deal about all this shit..
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yep
the guy did what all the other guys in his sport did
and people getting their feelings hurt cause "he lied" need to check themselves and realize this is a man they dont even personally know lol
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it's not so much the doping which is disturbing but the fact that the guy defiantly and aggressively denied all accusations, and created a shameless cover with his livestrong so-called charity (which seems to be more of a business than anything else, i.e. his interview). dude made everything possible to keep his lie safe, he had no qualms trash talking people, spreading rumors, blackballing them if they got in his way, eventually ruining their careers and sometimes their lives. Check Greg Lemond
also the next level which he took doping too, but yeah he's only the tip of the iceberg.
check these articles
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/switching-gears--tyler-hamilton-s-feelings-about-lance-armstrong-change--194438670.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/zone-lance-armstrong-bully-downfall-article-1.1188512
I've followed cycling since the mid 90's (against my will often lol), and looking back Armstrong was just an average athlete which decided to take it to the next level at any cost. while I can admire his determination and willingness to do whatever it takes to win, that doesn't make him a great champion, but rather a great athlete (because finishing the Tour de France is always an incredible feat, roided up or not) with no moral issues and honor whatsoever. I liked him although I always thought he wasn't clean (i didn't think many people are) and I even defended him at some point (although I've always preferred Miguel Indurain and Jan Ulrich), , but his strong arm and intimidation tactics put me off, as well as his arrogance (which is a quality in sports I think but to a degree). Thank god the USADA took over the case, because had this investigation been made by say, International or French authorities (a French lab had already authentified Armstrong's doping in 2009 i think), this would have never had any pull.
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: bouli77 on January 22, 2013, 06:10:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on January 21, 2013, 03:05:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 21, 2013, 11:40:41 AM ---i think they need to stop makin a big deal about all this shit..
--- End quote ---
yep
the guy did what all the other guys in his sport did
and people getting their feelings hurt cause "he lied" need to check themselves and realize this is a man they dont even personally know lol
--- End quote ---
it's not so much the doping which is disturbing but the fact that the guy defiantly and aggressively denied all accusations, and created a shameless cover with his livestrong so-called charity (which seems to be more of a business than anything else, i.e. his interview). dude made everything possible to keep his lie safe, he had no qualms trash talking people, spreading rumors, blackballing them if they got in his way, eventually ruining their careers and sometimes their lives. Check Greg Lemond
also the next level which he took doping too, but yeah he's only the tip of the iceberg.
check these articles
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/switching-gears--tyler-hamilton-s-feelings-about-lance-armstrong-change--194438670.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/zone-lance-armstrong-bully-downfall-article-1.1188512
I've followed cycling since the mid 90's (against my will often lol), and looking back Armstrong was just an average athlete which decided to take it to the next level at any cost. while I can admire his determination and willingness to do whatever it takes to win, that doesn't make him a great champion, but rather a great athlete (because finishing the Tour de France is always an incredible feat, roided up or not) with no moral issues and honor whatsoever. I liked him although I always thought he wasn't clean (i didn't think many people are) and I even defended him at some point (although I've always preferred Miguel Indurain and Jan Ulrich), , but his strong arm and intimidation tactics put me off, as well as his arrogance (which is a quality in sports I think but to a degree). Thank god the USADA took over the case, because had this investigation been made by say, International or French authorities (a French lab had already authentified Armstrong's doping in 2009 i think), this would have never had any pull.
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Right, I don't follow cycling by any stretch of the imagination but I don't think anyone'es hating on him just for taking roids. It's the fact that he ruined all those people with his BS lawsuits and portrayed himself as some kind of deity that was above all imorrals.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on January 23, 2013, 11:35:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: bouli77 on January 22, 2013, 06:10:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on January 21, 2013, 03:05:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 21, 2013, 11:40:41 AM ---i think they need to stop makin a big deal about all this shit..
--- End quote ---
yep
the guy did what all the other guys in his sport did
and people getting their feelings hurt cause "he lied" need to check themselves and realize this is a man they dont even personally know lol
--- End quote ---
it's not so much the doping which is disturbing but the fact that the guy defiantly and aggressively denied all accusations, and created a shameless cover with his livestrong so-called charity (which seems to be more of a business than anything else, i.e. his interview). dude made everything possible to keep his lie safe, he had no qualms trash talking people, spreading rumors, blackballing them if they got in his way, eventually ruining their careers and sometimes their lives. Check Greg Lemond
also the next level which he took doping too, but yeah he's only the tip of the iceberg.
check these articles
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/switching-gears--tyler-hamilton-s-feelings-about-lance-armstrong-change--194438670.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/zone-lance-armstrong-bully-downfall-article-1.1188512
I've followed cycling since the mid 90's (against my will often lol), and looking back Armstrong was just an average athlete which decided to take it to the next level at any cost. while I can admire his determination and willingness to do whatever it takes to win, that doesn't make him a great champion, but rather a great athlete (because finishing the Tour de France is always an incredible feat, roided up or not) with no moral issues and honor whatsoever. I liked him although I always thought he wasn't clean (i didn't think many people are) and I even defended him at some point (although I've always preferred Miguel Indurain and Jan Ulrich), , but his strong arm and intimidation tactics put me off, as well as his arrogance (which is a quality in sports I think but to a degree). Thank god the USADA took over the case, because had this investigation been made by say, International or French authorities (a French lab had already authentified Armstrong's doping in 2009 i think), this would have never had any pull.
--- End quote ---
Right, I don't follow cycling by any stretch of the imagination but I don't think anyone'es hating on him just for taking roids. It's the fact that he ruined all those people with his BS lawsuits and portrayed himself as some kind of deity that was above all imorrals.
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Of course he denied it.
As for the lawsuits, they didnt really ruin anyone did they? I hadnt thought he actually won anything.
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