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Don't you find it ironic that many gun control supporters
virtuoso:
You just invalidated your rebuttal with There is no way the government can keep that up. The government changes to much
This is one of those moments where you are looking to rationalise again while ignoring how the NDAA actually went from being a criminal prlonoposal to a criminal law.
So let me remind you......the congress and the senate both unanimously voted in favour of tearing up people's rights i.e. endorse the dictatorial route.
Now this blows out of the water the very cumbersome attempts to blame it on the liberals or the left, or the right.
They are unanimously criminal scum, either through blackmail, witting accomplices, or they rationalise it in their own minds as well they are all scum who have sold their soul, so why shouldn't I get mine?
M Dogg™:
What you are failing to miss is that the NDAA is an annual bill. It has to come up every year for debate because it cannot be permit law. Every two years, in theory, government changes. Right now, instead of focusing on guns, because that's not an issue that can truly be dealt with for a few generations, we should be fighting against the NDAA. So every year when the NDAA comes up, it's up to us to get the people against it. You know who even knows about the NDAA, the tin foil heads. People don't want to listen to them. When you are against something by putting a picture of Obama as Hitler, you are not going to get much positive response. You know what about the NDAA, it will come up again at the end of the year, and at the end of the year it is up to the people to find a true way to move people against it.
Let me put it this way, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X are connected in many people's mind because they were black leaders. But they had a different way of going about their business. At the end, Malcolm was killed by the Nation of Islam because he was a threat to them. Martin was killed by the United States government, because he was a true threat to them. Malcolm thought he was a threat, the same way many libertarians think they are a threat. But people don't see them as a threat, because the movement looks like a put of conspiracy theorist. Now lets take a look at Martin, Martin was a true threat because he changed people's hearts and minds. He was able to focus the attention of the people onto the issues he wanted. Martin eventually turned his attention to going anti-War and workers rights. His movement was successful and becoming bigger. Eventually he was killed as he was getting to important. Right now the Libertarian movement is more Malcolm than Martin, it's only a real threat to the Republican Party and not the US government it's self.
I agree with many things you say, but your tactics will not get anything done.
Sami:
I find the clinging to guns insane and unnecessary. If the people truly did rise up and started winning, the Feds would have absolutely no qualms with nuking their own people. That's why I support California becoming our own nation in theory, but not in practice. The Feds would kill us all and make it seem like it was the right thing to do.
At the same time I don't support gun control, for the same reason I don't support abortion controls or drug laws or anti-gambling/prostitution laws. Just because you make something illegal does NOT make it go away. It's better to keep it legal but regulated.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Sami on January 30, 2013, 08:04:55 PM ---I find the clinging to guns insane and unnecessary. If the people truly did rise up and started winning, the Feds would have absolutely no qualms with nuking their own people. That's why I support California becoming our own nation in theory, but not in practice. The Feds would kill us all and make it seem like it was the right thing to do.
At the same time I don't support gun control, for the same reason I don't support abortion controls or drug laws or anti-gambling/prostitution laws. Just because you make something illegal does NOT make it go away. It's better to keep it legal but regulated.
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holy shit that'd be a disaster.
we are a wreck.
Sami:
Not true anymore. The deficit is gone.
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