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Greivis Vasquez - "Kobe is the best player in the league"
Sccit:
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--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 31, 2013, 08:33:28 PM ---Yeah, a pass first player who still averages two more PPG all-time than Kobe.
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yea, skewed career averages, because kobe wasn't handed a franchise from the get-go. lets be real, can u imagine kobe's numbers right now had he been drafted to a team like cleveland under the same circumstances as lebron? holy shit...obviously, kobe is known as a better scorer than lebron, duno what ur tryna prove with ur moot points. when lebron decides to become a score first player and strings together 4 consecutive 50+ point games or a 35+ ppg season or something out of his realm, i hope u get a chance to start a thread about the feat without nutlickers questioning u over it.
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His individual numbers would def go up, but not as far as you may think. It was a different ball-game back then. Kobe arrived to the league @ 17 years old - he was a talented kid, but he wasen't fully prepared from the physical standpoint. He was skinny and needed to gain some weight to fully developed his body.
Plus playing with the Lakers was his lexury - that's why he was able to have 3 titles under his belt before turning 22. In NBA it's all about winning, so he should be glad cause under different circumstances, he could've not won as many rings...
Lebron on the other hand, was prepared physicaly from the day one, cause of his great body and physique. Plus he arrived, after NBA changed much of their rules to get perimeter players an upper hand in order to up-grade the tempo and make the league more marketable. So his numbers should be on the level they are right now - he's a talented player also.
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come on, kevin martin averaged 25 ppg being 6'7" and weighing 170 pounds....i truly believe kobe woulda been a good scorer from the jump had he been given the run and coulda even had some 40 ppg seasons under his belt if he didn't play with shaq for the first half of his career. honestly, the possibilities are endless. to be real with u, he probably would've already passed kareem on the scoring list by now. playing wit shaq did help him win, but kobe would've won championships regardless...would he have 5 without shaq? maybe not. but if he had some good teams built around him from 1996-2007, he woulda had AT LEAST 2 in that span (considering the 2004-2007 rebuilding phase woulda never took place). just think, the 2008-2011 kobe-gasol-odom era was enough for him to win back-to-back. those early 2000's woulda been really interesting if shaq and kobe were on separate teams. it's a good thing they werent, but there are some insane what ifs surrounding the whole situation.
Chamillitary Click:
Kobe can be "better scorer". Melo is a "better scorer" than LeBron. It's undeniable James is the better basketball player...and for an "inferior scorer" he still averages the third most PPG all-time lmao.
Mietek23:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on February 01, 2013, 03:48:33 AM ---come on, kevin martin averaged 25 ppg being 6'7" and weighing 170 pounds....i truly believe kobe woulda been a good scorer from the jump had he been given the run and coulda even had some 40 ppg seasons under his belt if he didn't play with shaq for the first half of his career. honestly, the possibilities are endless. to be real with u, he probably would've already passed kareem on the scoring list by now. playing wit shaq did help him win, but kobe would've won championships regardless...would he have 5 without shaq? maybe not. but if he had some good teams built around him from 1996-2007, he woulda had AT LEAST 2 in that span (considering the 2004-2007 rebuilding phase woulda never took place). just think, the 2008-2011 kobe-gasol-odom era was enough for him to win back-to-back. those early 2000's woulda been really interesting if shaq and kobe were on separate teams. it's a good thing they werent, but there are some insane what ifs surrounding the whole situation.
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Kevin Martin averaged 25ppg in 2009 season. You can't compare it to the late 90's/early 00's era. It was a different ball-game back then with a different rules. If a prime-Kobe scored 35ppg in one season in this era, there's no way a younger and less expierenced one would averaged 40pts/game in his earlier years, under a much different circumstances, c'mon now ::)
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on February 01, 2013, 06:30:39 AM ---Kobe can be "better scorer". Melo is a "better scorer" than LeBron. It's undeniable James is the better basketball player...and for an "inferior scorer" he still averages the third most PPG all-time lmao.
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u comparin prime lebron vs 34 year old kobe LOL.....lebron wont be anywhere near as good as kobe when he's 34.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Mietek23 on February 01, 2013, 12:11:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on February 01, 2013, 03:48:33 AM ---come on, kevin martin averaged 25 ppg being 6'7" and weighing 170 pounds....i truly believe kobe woulda been a good scorer from the jump had he been given the run and coulda even had some 40 ppg seasons under his belt if he didn't play with shaq for the first half of his career. honestly, the possibilities are endless. to be real with u, he probably would've already passed kareem on the scoring list by now. playing wit shaq did help him win, but kobe would've won championships regardless...would he have 5 without shaq? maybe not. but if he had some good teams built around him from 1996-2007, he woulda had AT LEAST 2 in that span (considering the 2004-2007 rebuilding phase woulda never took place). just think, the 2008-2011 kobe-gasol-odom era was enough for him to win back-to-back. those early 2000's woulda been really interesting if shaq and kobe were on separate teams. it's a good thing they werent, but there are some insane what ifs surrounding the whole situation.
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Kevin Martin averaged 25ppg in 2009 season. You can't compare it to the late 90's/early 00's era. It was a different ball-game back then with a different rules. If a prime-Kobe scored 35ppg in one season in this era, there's no way a younger and less expierenced one would averaged 40pts/game in his earlier years, under a much different circumstances, c'mon now ::)
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doesnt matter, kobe was even more athletic in the 1999-2004 era....if there was no shaq, he woulda had some amazing scoring numbers, no doubt. furthermore, just imagine if he wasnt confined to the triangle offense. we're talking about an offense that is supposed to be an equal-oppurtunity offense. can u imagine kobe playing in a free flowing, d'antoni style offense at age 21-26, with no shaq? the possibilities are endless...but enough with the what ifs- the point is, kobe's numbers would be a lot better in lebron's shoes, and thats a fact.
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