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Is there a free market solution to stopping gun violence?

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M Dogg™:
For me, I'd try to do what I can to reduce murders by legal guns first. That's the easiest thing to do right away, then I'd worry about illegal guns. Of course I'd also legalize weed in all 50 states and set up ways drug addicts can get "harder" drugs legally and for free in an effort to stop illegal drug sales. But that's just me. I'm sure the Republicans and Democrats have a much better solution. * sarcasm*

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: Shallow on February 04, 2013, 07:47:15 AM ---
Exactly. There's nothing free market about it.

It also doesn't adress the fact everyone wants to ignore, that 75 to 80 percent of gun murders are by illegal guns in the hands of gang members.

People need to stop using exceptions to define the rules. Legalize all illicit drugs and see how fast gun murders go down.

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yep

Shallow:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 04, 2013, 12:30:13 PM ---For me, I'd try to do what I can to reduce murders by legal guns first. That's the easiest thing to do right away, then I'd worry about illegal guns. Of course I'd also legalize weed in all 50 states and set up ways drug addicts can get "harder" drugs legally and for free in an effort to stop illegal drug sales. But that's just me. I'm sure the Republicans and Democrats have a much better solution. * sarcasm*

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The problem is that most people want to stop massacres rather than gun crime from legal or illegal guns, and mainly for emotional reasons. You simply cannot prevent the 1 out of 1000 everyday loon from going extra crazy. And no matter what the laws are there is going to be someone that figures out away to kill a lot of people and then a few more people attempting to copycat the crime soon after. Then all the people that are now complaining about the gun laws as they are will look at how that person slipped through the cracks and want laws in place so that that specific crime may have been prevented.

You simply cannot watch all the people all the time and eventually someone wil sneak by whatever laws are in place and do something very bad.

If something is an epidemic that endangers the lives of people everyday something needs to be done about it, but if something happens once in a blue moon you just have to accept that. Evil has to exist. No point trying to stop it completely.  I read that there are 3 million AR-15 in the USA. How many people have died due to AR-15? A hundred maybe. What's that percentage? 0.0 something.

Adam Lanza had Asperger syndrome, apparently, and people now say that's a mental illness and no one with it should be able to get a gun. No gun law would have stoped his mother from getting guns and most wouldn't have stopped him.

Had Adam Lanza lived in Canada he would have been able to apply for a gun permit and purchase a Beretta Cx4 Storm or Ruger Mini-14 and done the same thing he did at Sandy Hook. A fully automatic Bushmaster can get off 800 RPM. The Ruger Mini can do 750. Not a huge difference. And a skilled shooter can very easily load and re-load a doubled barrel shot gun and in an eclosed school that can kill a lot of people too.

My point is that if when the i-phone6 comes out and at the New York or Chicago premiere a loon drives a honda civic propane filled car bomb into the lineup and blows up 300 people, and then a toyota blows up 200 at another preimiere 4 months later you would hear idiots on TV and in congress talking about banning japanese cars, propane, and even the amount of people allowed at a premiere or big premieres in general. "If propane wasn't so readily avaliable those people wouldn't have died". I garaunfuckingtee you'd hear that.


Oh, and appaently El Paso and Laredo Texas have some of the loosest gun laws in the country and have more guns than people and are of the safest cities in America, while right across the lake is Jurez Mexico with very strict gun laws and a whole lot of murder. And the majority of El Paso are from Juarez. You know what probably would have happened to Adam Lanza in El Paso? He would have gotten shot by a neighbor by the time he made it to the first class room, once said neighbor heard gun shots coming from the school. But God Forbid anyone talk about how many violent crimes are prevented because of the existence of legal guns in law abiding hands.

Russell Bell:

--- Quote from: Shallow on February 07, 2013, 07:44:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 04, 2013, 12:30:13 PM ---For me, I'd try to do what I can to reduce murders by legal guns first. That's the easiest thing to do right away, then I'd worry about illegal guns. Of course I'd also legalize weed in all 50 states and set up ways drug addicts can get "harder" drugs legally and for free in an effort to stop illegal drug sales. But that's just me. I'm sure the Republicans and Democrats have a much better solution. * sarcasm*

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The problem is that most people want to stop massacres rather than gun crime from legal or illegal guns, and mainly for emotional reasons. You simply cannot prevent the 1 out of 1000 everyday loon from going extra crazy. And no matter what the laws are there is going to be someone that figures out away to kill a lot of people and then a few more people attempting to copycat the crime soon after. Then all the people that are now complaining about the gun laws as they are will look at how that person slipped through the cracks and want laws in place so that that specific crime may have been prevented.

You simply cannot watch all the people all the time and eventually someone wil sneak by whatever laws are in place and do something very bad.

If something is an epidemic that endangers the lives of people everyday something needs to be done about it, but if something happens once in a blue moon you just have to accept that. Evil has to exist. No point trying to stop it completely.  I read that there are 3 million AR-15 in the USA. How many people have died due to AR-15? A hundred maybe. What's that percentage? 0.0 something.

Adam Lanza had Asperger syndrome, apparently, and people now say that's a mental illness and no one with it should be able to get a gun. No gun law would have stoped his mother from getting guns and most wouldn't have stopped him.

Had Adam Lanza lived in Canada he would have been able to apply for a gun permit and purchase a Beretta Cx4 Storm or Ruger Mini-14 and done the same thing he did at Sandy Hook. A fully automatic Bushmaster can get off 800 RPM. The Ruger Mini can do 750. Not a huge difference. And a skilled shooter can very easily load and re-load a doubled barrel shot gun and in an eclosed school that can kill a lot of people too.

My point is that if when the i-phone6 comes out and at the New York or Chicago premiere a loon drives a honda civic propane filled car bomb into the lineup and blows up 300 people, and then a toyota blows up 200 at another preimiere 4 months later you would hear idiots on TV and in congress talking about banning japanese cars, propane, and even the amount of people allowed at a premiere or big premieres in general. "If propane wasn't so readily avaliable those people wouldn't have died". I garaunfuckingtee you'd hear that.


Oh, and appaently El Paso and Laredo Texas have some of the loosest gun laws in the country and have more guns than people and are of the safest cities in America, while right across the lake is Jurez Mexico with very strict gun laws and a whole lot of murder. And the majority of El Paso are from Juarez. You know what probably would have happened to Adam Lanza in El Paso? He would have gotten shot by a neighbor by the time he made it to the first class room, once said neighbor heard gun shots coming from the school. But God Forbid anyone talk about how many violent crimes are prevented because of the existence of legal guns in law abiding hands.

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How dare you put facts and context to this issue.

What a stupid American.

M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: Russell Bell on February 07, 2013, 07:50:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 07, 2013, 07:44:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 04, 2013, 12:30:13 PM ---For me, I'd try to do what I can to reduce murders by legal guns first. That's the easiest thing to do right away, then I'd worry about illegal guns. Of course I'd also legalize weed in all 50 states and set up ways drug addicts can get "harder" drugs legally and for free in an effort to stop illegal drug sales. But that's just me. I'm sure the Republicans and Democrats have a much better solution. * sarcasm*

--- End quote ---


The problem is that most people want to stop massacres rather than gun crime from legal or illegal guns, and mainly for emotional reasons. You simply cannot prevent the 1 out of 1000 everyday loon from going extra crazy. And no matter what the laws are there is going to be someone that figures out away to kill a lot of people and then a few more people attempting to copycat the crime soon after. Then all the people that are now complaining about the gun laws as they are will look at how that person slipped through the cracks and want laws in place so that that specific crime may have been prevented.

You simply cannot watch all the people all the time and eventually someone wil sneak by whatever laws are in place and do something very bad.

If something is an epidemic that endangers the lives of people everyday something needs to be done about it, but if something happens once in a blue moon you just have to accept that. Evil has to exist. No point trying to stop it completely.  I read that there are 3 million AR-15 in the USA. How many people have died due to AR-15? A hundred maybe. What's that percentage? 0.0 something.

Adam Lanza had Asperger syndrome, apparently, and people now say that's a mental illness and no one with it should be able to get a gun. No gun law would have stoped his mother from getting guns and most wouldn't have stopped him.

Had Adam Lanza lived in Canada he would have been able to apply for a gun permit and purchase a Beretta Cx4 Storm or Ruger Mini-14 and done the same thing he did at Sandy Hook. A fully automatic Bushmaster can get off 800 RPM. The Ruger Mini can do 750. Not a huge difference. And a skilled shooter can very easily load and re-load a doubled barrel shot gun and in an eclosed school that can kill a lot of people too.

My point is that if when the i-phone6 comes out and at the New York or Chicago premiere a loon drives a honda civic propane filled car bomb into the lineup and blows up 300 people, and then a toyota blows up 200 at another preimiere 4 months later you would hear idiots on TV and in congress talking about banning japanese cars, propane, and even the amount of people allowed at a premiere or big premieres in general. "If propane wasn't so readily avaliable those people wouldn't have died". I garaunfuckingtee you'd hear that.


Oh, and appaently El Paso and Laredo Texas have some of the loosest gun laws in the country and have more guns than people and are of the safest cities in America, while right across the lake is Jurez Mexico with very strict gun laws and a whole lot of murder. And the majority of El Paso are from Juarez. You know what probably would have happened to Adam Lanza in El Paso? He would have gotten shot by a neighbor by the time he made it to the first class room, once said neighbor heard gun shots coming from the school. But God Forbid anyone talk about how many violent crimes are prevented because of the existence of legal guns in law abiding hands.

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How dare you put facts and context to this issue.

What a stupid American.

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I think he made my point. I was being sarcastic.

I saw the article about economist wanting to use the method, and though, DUBCC is a free market place, why not see what people think. You know what, this section is suppose to get you THINKING!!

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