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MistaNova:
True, but isn't it a little odd that a lot of the highly touted guys have managed to find ways to struggle? I mean I know the whole "Safeco is a hitter's graveyard" thing but it's quite a coinkidink.
That said, today's game was awesome. King Felix and Phelpsie were pretty good, I loved how the game ended as well (the Yankees winning of course ;)).
But going back to the M's for a bit, do you see Ackley being converted into something else? From what I've heard Franklin appears to be better defensively and could possibly be the M's secondbaseman of the future, meaning that Ackley might have to move somewhere else. Seeing as how the M's are currently trying to convert Jesus Montero into a DH/1st baseman (or at least I think they are, if not then they're really dumb), I'm going to guess maybe Ackley becomes a thridbaseman or an outfielder? I suppose this was a problem the M's were going to have to face eventually but what do you think?
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on June 09, 2013, 06:42:44 PM ---True, but isn't it a little odd that a lot of the highly touted guys have managed to find ways to struggle? I mean I know the whole "Safeco is a hitter's graveyard" thing but it's quite a coinkidink.
That said, today's game was awesome. King Felix and Phelpsie were pretty good, I loved how the game ended as well (the Yankees winning of course ;)).
But going back to the M's for a bit, do you see Ackley being converted into something else? From what I've heard Franklin appears to be better defensively and could possibly be the M's secondbaseman of the future, meaning that Ackley might have to move somewhere else. Seeing as how the M's are currently trying to convert Jesus Montero into a DH/1st baseman (or at least I think they are, if not then they're really dumb), I'm going to guess maybe Ackley becomes a thridbaseman or an outfielder? I suppose this was a problem the M's were going to have to face eventually but what do you think?
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No, it definitely strange. I think at this point most would say that its unlikely that Smoak amounts to a whole lot (although his OBP was great before he went down) but I don't think the jury is out on Ackley or Montero yet, although the whole biogensis thing could possibly explain why Montero's sucked so much this year. The funny thing about Ackley is that he played OF everywhere until he was with the M's organization, and a lot of scouts thought he'd never be a good second basemen but he was actually a gold glove finalist. He's probably better at the position than Franklin is, but I think it'll ultimately come down to who is hitting better. Definitely wouldn't be surprised to see Ackley move somewhere in the outfield though. It all depends on who pans out, but having more hitters than we have positions is a problem I'll take anyday with what we've dealt with the last few years. Oh, and todays game sucked. Another great effort ruined.
I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
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MistaNova:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on June 09, 2013, 07:46:17 PM ---I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
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I'll take that as a compliment.
While I'll never root for any team other than the Yankees (except maybe their minor league affiliates and Team Japan in the WBC), I try and keep tabs on what's happening across the majors. More than anything because I'm such a baseball nerd with too much free time and look at sites like baseball reference, mlbtraderumors and the like on a near daily basis. The fact that most of my friends are fans of various teams (M's, Twins, Giants etc...) and randomly send me news (or in most cases rants and complaints about their teams) doesn't hurt either.
And Seattle's one of the easier teams for me to keep track of since several names involved are ex-Yanks (Montero, Noesi, Almonte, Mitchell etc...). Through the draft and through trades they've gathered a handful of pieces that could be part of their future and it's pretty easy to see what's in store for them.
Like with Ackley and Franklin. I think it's pretty clear that if/when these two made it to the big leagues the M's were going to have to move one of them to a different position. Arguements could be made for the better hitter to stay or for the better defender to stay. I think we'll all have to wait and see how that unfolds as I don't expect an answer to appear before 2015.
You've also got Montero and Zunino. From what I've heard Zunino appears to be the better defender compared to Montero who's future behind the plate has been in question since his time in New York. And almost all of the "experts" think he's better suited for 1st base or the DH role and maybe form a platoon with Smoak. Now might be the best time for to convert Montero into a 1st baseman/DH, but I guess we'll have to wait see what happens with this as well.
Throw in the other names like Smoak, Almonte, Peterson, Wilson and Seager and they've managed to establish a pretty nice base to work off of in the upcoming years.
As always they've got a nice pitching staff and reinforcements are on their way in the form of a three-headed monster (Hultzen, Paxton and Walker) which'll turn the rotation into Felix and a cast of characters (Iwakuma's been great but I don't expect the M's to keep him around long-term) to the best 1-2-3-4 punch in the bigs. Not to mention the fact that the M's could trade one of those three pitching monsters for an effective hitter if they wanted to.
With that I've suddenly turned my post into my M's analysis report lol. Of course this is all just an "outsider's opinion" and I could be completely wrong but this is what I've taken from the various info I've received about the M's. I also want to get as many opinions from people like you who've obviously seen more of the M's than I have so my assessments (for lack of a better word) aren't too far from the truth.
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on June 09, 2013, 09:52:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on June 09, 2013, 07:46:17 PM ---I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
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I'll take that as a compliment.
While I'll never root for any team other than the Yankees (except maybe their minor league affiliates and Team Japan in the WBC), I try and keep tabs on what's happening across the majors. More than anything because I'm such a baseball nerd with too much free time and look at sites like baseball reference, mlbtraderumors and the like on a near daily basis. The fact that most of my friends are fans of various teams (M's, Twins, Giants etc...) and randomly send me news (or in most cases rants and complaints about their teams) doesn't hurt either.
And Seattle's one of the easier teams for me to keep track of since several names involved are ex-Yanks (Montero, Noesi, Almonte, Mitchell etc...). Through the draft and through trades they've gathered a handful of pieces that could be part of their future and it's pretty easy to see what's in store for them.
Like with Ackley and Franklin. I think it's pretty clear that if/when these two made it to the big leagues the M's were going to have to move one of them to a different position. Arguements could be made for the better hitter to stay or for the better defender to stay. I think we'll all have to wait and see how that unfolds as I don't expect an answer to appear before 2015.
You've also got Montero and Zunino. From what I've heard Zunino appears to be the better defender compared to Montero who's future behind the plate has been in question since his time in New York. And almost all of the "experts" think he's better suited for 1st base or the DH role and maybe form a platoon with Smoak. Now might be the best time for to convert Montero into a 1st baseman/DH, but I guess we'll have to wait see what happens with this as well.
Throw in the other names like Smoak, Almonte, Peterson, Wilson and Seager and they've managed to establish a pretty nice base to work off of in the upcoming years.
As always they've got a nice pitching staff and reinforcements are on their way in the form of a three-headed monster (Hultzen, Paxton and Walker) which'll turn the rotation into Felix and a cast of characters (Iwakuma's been great but I don't expect the M's to keep him around long-term) to the best 1-2-3-4 punch in the bigs. Not to mention the fact that the M's could trade one of those three pitching monsters for an effective hitter if they wanted to.
With that I've suddenly turned my post into my M's analysis report lol. Of course this is all just an "outsider's opinion" and I could be completely wrong but this is what I've taken from the various info I've received about the M's. I also want to get as many opinions from people like you who've obviously seen more of the M's than I have so my assessments (for lack of a better word) aren't too far from the truth.
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Oh, between Zunino and Montero it's no contest. Montero is absolute trash behind the plate, the fact that they ran with it as long as they did was a huge mistake, but at least they seemed to have finally thrown in the towel. The guy is so unathletic, I don't even know if first base is a reasonable expectation. He makes guys like Prince Fielder and Pablo Sandoval seem like Ricky Henderson. That said, if he can hit like everyone thought he was going to be able to I'm fine with him as a DH, cause it was the bat that we traded for anyways. But yeah, I'd be shocked if he amounted to more than an emergency catcher at best. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the other NY guys you mentioned, outside of Noesi who looks like shit. They're not among our elite prospects but who knows what will happen. Good point with the Big 3 as well, I think a scenario in which we flipped one or even two of them for some legit offense is certainly possible (as Jack Z tried to with Walker for Upton). Hard to say what'll happen with Iwakuma, he said he liked it here last year and wanted to sign an extension and he's under contract for at least next year, plus an option for the next. If we could get some surefire hitters for him I'd be down, but obviously our pitchers for prospects trades have flopped pretty hard lately.
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