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MistaNova:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on September 10, 2013, 09:38:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Iveus on September 10, 2013, 09:13:20 AM ---Personally I don't think baseball returning to Montreal would be a bad idea. Maybe not major league baseball but Minor League Baseball. I'm sure the Jays affiliate based on Vegas (which is where pitchers go to die basically) wouldn't mind leaving. Gives Canada another team to root for as well.
But man did Loria really screw them up by pimping the system to get more money.
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Oh I have little doubt that Minor League baseball would do fine, if you look around the US you can find minor league teams in second-rate cities all over the place in terms of size. If possible, I'd like to see an MLB team back there, it's not like they were never successful in terms of fan-support. Hard to say how it would be received presently though.
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Fuck, I just realised that I made a typo. I meant to say "wouldn't be a bad idea" but forgot to add the n't after would.
MistaNova:
Random MLB fact of the day:
Hank Aaron (yes, THE Hank Aaron) used greenies in his MLB career. Despite the fact that that's supposed to make him a dirty-ass cheater, his history of using performance enhancers has been conveniently swept under the rug, kind of like the greenies era in general, and he has since been regarded as a "beloved figure in major league baseball history."
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on September 11, 2013, 06:20:02 PM ---Random MLB fact of the day:
Hank Aaron (yes, THE Hank Aaron) used greenies in his MLB career. Despite the fact that that's supposed to make him a dirty-ass cheater, his history of using performance enhancers has been conveniently swept under the rug, kind of like the greenies era in general, and he has since been regarded as a "beloved figure in major league baseball history."
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I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
MistaNova:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on September 11, 2013, 06:31:22 PM ---I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
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Yeah I know. I was just thinking that since the whole anti-PEDs/steroid thing seems to be based on the "cheating is bad" logic, Aaron (and Mays and others) should technically also fall under the category of cheaters regardless of whether or not the stuff he/they took was as useful to them as PEDs or steroids. Yet they're not and are actually looked at as legends. Which they are, I won't deny that since I'm not the kind of person who throws a player's accomplishments outside the window just because he "cheated." But it does kind of piss me off a little when I hear people be like "Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod shouldn't belong in the HoF because everybody in there is clean and they'll ruin it!" and when I try to tell them that it's already a sham they get all defensive and say yell that it's not true regardless of whatever proof I offer.
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on September 11, 2013, 07:02:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on September 11, 2013, 06:31:22 PM ---I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
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Yeah I know. I was just thinking that since the whole anti-PEDs/steroid thing seems to be based on the "cheating is bad" logic, Aaron (and Mays and others) should technically also fall under the category of cheaters regardless of whether or not the stuff he/they took was as useful to them as PEDs or steroids. Yet they're not and are actually looked at as legends. Which they are, I won't deny that since I'm not the kind of person who throws a player's accomplishments outside the window just because he "cheated." But it does kind of piss me off a little when I hear people be like "Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod shouldn't belong in the HoF because everybody in there is clean and they'll ruin it!" and when I try to tell them that it's already a sham they get all defensive and say yell that it's not true regardless of whatever proof I offer.
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I hear you. Personally I see it as the extent to which it benefited performance but I can't speak for everyone else. Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with all those guys making the hall based on their numbers, but they just seem so artificial to me that I don't really mind seeing them not make it either. But I agree with you on the "cheaters" double standard, no denying that.
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