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MistaNova:
I'm not saying that the M's didn't spend money. I'm saying that they didn't spend money on the guys that mattered.
Griffey and A-Rod were at one point the best players in baseball, and in A-Rod's case he was still only 26 and definitely had another decade of good baseball in him. I looked at what the M's initially offered A-Rod and it's no wonder he left, it barely even came close to what the M's gave King Felix.
I didn't even mention the other big guy, Randy Johnson. A guy who'd definitely have been worth keeping around. Although to be fair, giving a 10 year deal to a pitcher would've been just dumb.
Anyway, let me repeat myself by saying that I was not saying the M's were crying poor like the Royals, Rays and Marlins are, nor was I saying that they didn't have money to spend. However, I'm just wondering why they didn't offer that money to their bigger superstars who really mattered and how different things would be now if they had stuck around. Especially A-Rod.
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on December 07, 2013, 10:32:59 PM ---I'm not saying that the M's didn't spend money. I'm saying that they didn't spend money on the guys that mattered.
Griffey and A-Rod were at one point the best players in baseball, and in A-Rod's case he was still only 26 and definitely had another decade of good baseball in him. I looked at what the M's initially offered A-Rod and it's no wonder he left, it barely even came close to what the M's gave King Felix.
I didn't even mention the other big guy, Randy Johnson. A guy who'd definitely have been worth keeping around. Although to be fair, giving a 10 year deal to a pitcher would've been just dumb.
Anyway, let me repeat myself by saying that I was not saying the M's were crying poor like the Royals, Rays and Marlins are, nor was I saying that they didn't have money to spend. However, I'm just wondering why they didn't offer that money to their bigger superstars who really mattered and how different things would be now if they had stuck around. Especially A-Rod.
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Well, like I said, you can't put Griffey in there cause they woulda kept him had all that external stuff not happened. A-Rod, yeah, we shoulda offered more, but to say it's not near what Felix was offered is a bit ridiculous when you think about how much the game has changed economically between now and then. Randy Johnson also wanted out and didn't wanna re-sign. His beef may have actually been with Chuck and Howard but I'm not sure. I can't believe I'm actually defending these guys, my only real problem is your thoughts on Griffey. Anyone who was around here knows they wanted to keep him and that he wanted out for family reasons. Like I said, he took a pay cut to play in Cincinatti. Anyone who tells you it was about money in the least bit is misinformed.
MistaNova:
Fine, so I was a little wrong about Griffey then. I'll admit it, especially since I didn't know who Griffey was until he was in a Reds uni.
However, my opinion on how the M's should've offered A-Rod more and how they are just as guilty for how A-Rod's reputation became so tarnished still stands. A-Rod's fall from grace started because of the Mariners' didn't even offer him a fair deal (and I know the economics of baseball have changed, but you'll never be able to convince me that the Nintendo-owned M's couldn't have given the Cano contract to A-Rod back in 2000). And while I can't say that he might've taken that contract over the one the Rangers gave him, who knows what would've happened if the M's did everything they could to keep A-Rod a Mariner for life. Then again the M's might've just dumped him onto the Yankees 3 or 4 years into that deal...
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Iveus on December 08, 2013, 06:42:38 PM ---Fine, so I was a little wrong about Griffey then. I'll admit it, especially since I didn't know who Griffey was until he was in a Reds uni.
However, my opinion on how the M's should've offered A-Rod more and how they are just as guilty for how A-Rod's reputation became so tarnished still stands. A-Rod's fall from grace started because of the Mariners' didn't even offer him a fair deal (and I know the economics of baseball have changed, but you'll never be able to convince me that the Nintendo-owned M's couldn't have given the Cano contract to A-Rod back in 2000). And while I can't say that he might've taken that contract over the one the Rangers gave him, who knows what would've happened if the M's did everything they could to keep A-Rod a Mariner for life. Then again the M's might've just dumped him onto the Yankees 3 or 4 years into that deal...
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LOL, so we're guilty for his reputation being tarnished? Somehow I'm not going to lose any sleep.
MistaNova:
Not just the Mariners. A-Rod himself and Scott Boras are also to blame for A-Rod's downfall but the Mariners are definitely guilty to a certain extent. Yet they act like A-Rod was never a part of their organization. Faggots.
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