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DeeezNuuuts83:
^ Exactly. For Marquez, someone who came from pretty humble beginnings and is ~40, I'd have expected him to be a little more honorable than that. It's fucked up if, after three fights and zero wins, you win the fourth one but then declare it to be over? That's bullshit. He can talk all that drama about how he feels he won all four fights, but if he really felt that way, then why did he want rematches so bad?
Javii:
Put yourself in Marquez position. How can you not be bitter? He's won the most rounds, legitimately. And fans and experts on split on the decision. Since the first two fights, Pacquiao ended up being the 2nd most paid boxer in the sport. In his mind, it could have been him. Let him ask for the most amount of money, he has deserved it.
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: Javii on May 13, 2013, 02:09:52 PM ---Put yourself in Marquez position. How can you not be bitter? He's won the most rounds, legitimately. And fans and experts on split on the decision. Since the first two fights, Pacquiao ended up being the 2nd most paid boxer in the sport. In his mind, it could have been him. Let him ask for the most amount of money, he has deserved it.
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He can ask for whatever he wants, but he can't seriously expect to get that kind of bread. Drawing power is still important -- even after Pacquiao knocked out Morales in their rematch, the rubbermatch still paid Morales more money than Pacquiao since Pacquiao hadn't yet become the huge draw that he became a couple of years later. And while I totally understand why Marquez would be bitter, the guy had never handled himself like a man after any of their fights untiil he got the outcome he wanted.
Yes, since their first two fights, yes, Pacquiao became the second highest paid boxer in the sport. But he was also generating tons of PPV views and revenue as well, and none of it was really the direct result of being declared the winner of Pacquiao-Marquez II. So it's not like people were just paying him money -- he became a superstar, but also because he was marketable. Marquez is held back by the language barrier (though his English has improved a lot), and frankly there isn't much of interest to watch about Marquez outside of the ring. If 60 Minutes did a report on Marquez, what would be about? Probably nothing interesting beyond the usual stuff that 90% of American boxers went through (low-class upbringing, etc.).
But it's not as if Marquez was being held back either. He DID get a Mayweather fight, which most boxers could only dream of, especially at a time when no one really cared to see Mayweather fight Marquez either since it wasn't really on people's top 10 dream match-ups. Additionally, he stayed at the slightly lighter weight categories for a while, and they were divisions where there weren't many big names that would generate a lot of interest and/or revenue. When he was still with Golden Boy, he could've moved up to 140 and fought any of those names (Khan, Hatton, Bradley, Alexander, Maidana, Judah, Malignaggi, Ortiz, Petersen) or even 147 like Manny did right after lightweight and then fight any of those names (Mosley, Guerrero, Quintana, Cintron, Berto, Forbes, De La Hoya), all of whom would have been interesting fights -- and none of those even included any Top Rank guys (or at least they weren't yet signed to Top Rank at that time) since they didn't play nice with Golden Boy (who Marquez was signed to at the time)... and that would've included Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Mike Jones, etc. as well.
Had Marquez moved up in weight earlier or stayed at 147 after his Mayweather fight, he would've had a lot of opportunities to earn big paychecks. Maybe not what Manny was getting at that same point, but definitely in the millions, which isn't bad for a guy who really isn't all that marketable or interesting.
Javii:
I understand all you said, but I'm simply saying that Marquez is holding out so he can get the most amount of money he can possibly get. If not, he's very comfortable making twice the amount he made on Pac Marquez IV. Why? Because there's still a fight with Pacquiao to made after...if he wins. Both Bradley and Marquez are in the same position, Pacquiao is looking to avenge at least one his losses. Might as well make a bit more money fighting each other with the potential match up with Pacquiao is out there....plus it gets your name out there more eventually leading to more money. By the time Pacquiao will face either Bradley or Marquez, they'll most likely make at least 7-10 million.
DeeezNuuuts83:
No, you're right. I'm just saying that the $20 million demand is unreasonable. Even the original $15 million demand was pretty high, though I suppose it was somewhat doable, albeit at the HIGH end of what he's worth. But Marquez's demands have always created eye rolls from everyone not on his team. He got a $5 million guarantee for Pac-Marquez III, with a rematch clause that would guarantee him $10 million in the event that they won and went for a fourth match. And when he did not win on any judge's scorecards, what were his demands afterward? For those who remember, he still wanted a $10 million guarantee (which is what he'd have gotten if he won, but he didn't), he wanted Pacquiao to reject the MD win and have it officially changed to a NC result while having the fight in Mexico. That's a little outlandish for someone who didn't win, for wanting the same stuff that he'd have gotten if he actually did win and then some.
Don't get me wrong. There was no rematch clause, so Marquez shouldn't be limited to only what he'd have gotten before, since he's not obligated to do it. Immediately after the fourth fight ended, I was thinking that Marquez would be entitled to $12 million or so, which is reasonable, considering it'll be his highest payday and a good chunk higher than what he was guaranteed if he had won in the past. But $20 million? He's not worth that much, in the sense that he himself doesn't have that kind of drawing power to rake in the revenue to pay that kind of a fee, plus it's not like their fourth fight one-upped the previous fight's numbers. That will show in the PPV numbers of Marquez-Bradley, which likely won't clear 500k buys. Hell, it may not even do 400k. Bradley's a good fighter, but he's not interesting at all. Meanwhile, Pacquiao-Rios will do at least 800k, despite both of them coming off of clear losses.
Assuming that Pacquiao gets past Rios (which he'd better, otherwise he needs to retire since Rios is the least of his worries), whoever wins between Marquez and Bradley will likely face Pacquiao, and whoever that person is definitely deserves $10+ million. I'd say if it's Bradley, he should get a $12 million guarantee. If it's Marquez, he should get a $15 million guarantee.
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