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Phil Jackson finally compares Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant
Sccit:
numbers dont tell it all...dr. j's prime was actually in the ABA, where he put up better numbers than lebron
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 20, 2013, 02:52:39 PM ---numbers dont tell it all...dr. j's prime was actually in the ABA, where he put up better numbers than lebron
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Dr. J in his prime would have killed 99% of the players today in the NBA, I do believe that. I told my students that watching LeBron would have been like watching Dr. J, in that he did things no one else could do up to that point. The awe that people looked at Dr. J is only closest to LeBron. Jordan and Dominic both took parts of Dr. J and made it their own. But Dr. J was better than Dominic, not better than Jordan, and LeBron is more comparable to Dr. J than Kobe or MJ. Still, numbers wise, I was just saying LeBron is closest to Bird. The eye test says Dr. J, but by the numbers he's closest to Bird.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 20, 2013, 01:15:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 20, 2013, 01:10:43 PM ---Look at those numbers, all half of 81. Why aren't there more 60+ games to defend it wasn't just a better night than usual?
He did have nobody, but I mean if a Melo, Durant even LeBron put the ball up 35 times a game, they'd do something similar.
Last year in the playoffs against the Pacers and Celtics LeBron realized he needed to score to win they game, took the game in his own hands and dropped 45+. Kobe just did it in the regular season because he had no choice.
I never said he wasn't one of the greatest players ever. I actually acknowledged in this very thread, all-time you have to give it to Kobe right now because of what he accomplished. But like I said, LeBron is on pace to shatter it all.
Also LeBron's IQ allows him to get his team the best look every possession. Notice all you've mentioned so far is Kobe's scoring ability. If the Heat and the Lakers score 100 points each, Kobe will be responsible for 50 points, LeBron will be responsible for 85 of them.
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LeBron is on pace to match Magic and Bird. That's great company. But until he does it, it means nothing.
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I'd say a majority of people hold Bird and Magic in a brighter light than Kobe anyway.
But still, so far all you've mentioned is Kobe's scoring. You're putting so much stock in Kobe heaving up 30+ a game and talking his scoring is unmeasurable and LeBron, barring injury is going to end his career with more points scored lol.
You've been reading NIKs posts for too long.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 20, 2013, 03:45:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 20, 2013, 01:15:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 20, 2013, 01:10:43 PM ---Look at those numbers, all half of 81. Why aren't there more 60+ games to defend it wasn't just a better night than usual?
He did have nobody, but I mean if a Melo, Durant even LeBron put the ball up 35 times a game, they'd do something similar.
Last year in the playoffs against the Pacers and Celtics LeBron realized he needed to score to win they game, took the game in his own hands and dropped 45+. Kobe just did it in the regular season because he had no choice.
I never said he wasn't one of the greatest players ever. I actually acknowledged in this very thread, all-time you have to give it to Kobe right now because of what he accomplished. But like I said, LeBron is on pace to shatter it all.
Also LeBron's IQ allows him to get his team the best look every possession. Notice all you've mentioned so far is Kobe's scoring ability. If the Heat and the Lakers score 100 points each, Kobe will be responsible for 50 points, LeBron will be responsible for 85 of them.
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LeBron is on pace to match Magic and Bird. That's great company. But until he does it, it means nothing.
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I'd say a majority of people hold Bird and Magic in a brighter light than Kobe anyway.
But still, so far all you've mentioned is Kobe's scoring. You're putting so much stock in Kobe heaving up 30+ a game and talking his scoring is unmeasurable and LeBron, barring injury is going to end his career with more points scored lol.
You've been reading NIKs posts for too long.
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Nah, I just watch the games, and from what I've seen, in his Prime Kobe was the best player I've seen not named Michael Jordan. It's more than scoring, it's doing everything, and you forget Kobe was averaging 6 assist and 6 rebounds a game to go with those 40+ games. I see LeBron now, and I am just not convinced he's better than Kobe. And you know I'd say he was better if I thought he was. But from what I see, Kobe was just so damn good, the game too damn easy for him. LeBron is just a physical beast, and he over powers Kobe today, and I'll admit that. But Kobe at his best was dunking on Howard, he was dunking on every center and he was so damn good. Kobe is a bettered skilled player than LeBron, he is a true student of the game. And with that, when his body was at his best, Kobe just could not be beat. Except by Jordan. Kobe couldn't beat Jordan.
Chamillitary Click:
I mean, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I feel your argument has a taste of bias from your childhood and the bulk of what you're saying is "what you saw". Kobe put you in awe when you watched him in his prime and that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.
But to me I don't care if you score from half court shots, threes, midrange, fadeaway, postups, a combination of all of them, whatever. Bottom line, they both score about 30 a game career-wise and and LeBron takes him in almost every other facet. Not that Kobe can't do the things LeBron hasn't, just LeBron does them and better.
Like NIK said Kobe is a better passer...completely blasphemous, but whatever for the sake of argument lets say Kobe is close. He decided to be an efficient passer in 15 games in his career so were just going to give him credit for that? Even though he never did it in his career? Even thought Bron's proved it since day one? That's like saying Shaq should be the best player ever because IF he hit his free throws, he'd had 15000 more points. He never hit em.
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