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As a Peace offering to NIKCC... I will start this debate
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Meho on June 16, 2013, 09:50:15 AM ---This concerns both NIIK and Cham, since they've been arguing in circles for ages. You can't act this way: when discussing individual acomplishments "Kobe/Jordan/Lebron had shitty teammates, if not he'd achieve more". But when comparing other players on the same team you go "X is better than Y because Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them better".
You just can't. One time your saying his team sucked, the other time you're saying how Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them great. Which means, their team was great. Doesn't matter why or how, but by that logic the team was great.
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if ur gunna sit here and compare lebron's current cast to kwame, smush, luke, and co. then we not really gunna be able to have a legit discussion. those guys are impossible to make great, kobe got the most he could out of those guys. on the other hand, wade and bosh's potential is far from being maximized under lebron.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 16, 2013, 10:47:11 AM ---My argument for when they had shitty teammates is that they had equally shitty rosters and LeBron did way more more.
As for making someone better, I'm going to leave that alone. It's not even worth my words if this nigga really thinks Kobe is a good teammate, let alone making others better.
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fact of the matter is, it wasnt "equally shitty rosters"...cleveland was contending teams back in those days, with more than 1 all-star, and consistently a top defensive unit in the league. lakers were literally playing with d-league talent, not with mo williams, anderson varaejo, larry hughes, zydrunas ilgauskas, antawn jamison, and a buncha sharp shooters who could actually play team defense...the fact that u even compare those cleveland teams to the smush parker lakers just goes to show where ur knowledge stands.
TraceOneInfinite:
Good to see the OG's Nik and MDogg making peace offerings, but I have to disagree with you all on this Lebron hate.
Cham may be right in this argument. I don't think the Lebron criticism is justified. What I've noticed is that dude just knows when to turn it on and turn it off. It's not good for him to try to take over every second of every game. It would make him too tired, prevent his teammates from getting into the flow of games, and allow the defense to just key in on Lebron.
So what Lebron does is he incorporates his teammates generally, and then any time there is a threat of them losing the series he turns it on when he has to. I mean.. game 1 there was no serious threat, so he deffered to his teammates. But no way he was going to let the Heat go down 0-2, so he made damn sure they won Game 2. Same thing with Game 4, Lebron was very aggressive and powerful in Game 4.
For me it's Jordan #1, and then I'm still undecided on Kobe vs. Lebron for #2.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Infinite African Westcoastin 2012 and 13' on June 16, 2013, 12:40:58 PM ---Good to see the OG's Nik and MDogg making peace offerings, but I have to disagree with you all on this Lebron hate.
Cham may be right in this argument. I don't think the Lebron criticism is justified. What I've noticed is that dude just knows when to turn it on and turn it off. It's not good for him to try to take over every second of every game. It would make him too tired, prevent his teammates from getting into the flow of games, and allow the defense to just key in on Lebron.
So what Lebron does is he incorporates his teammates generally, and then any time there is a threat of them losing the series he turns it on when he has to. I mean.. game 1 there was no serious threat, so he deffered to his teammates. But no way he was going to let the Heat go down 0-2, so he made damn sure they won Game 2. Same thing with Game 4, Lebron was very aggressive and powerful in Game 4.
For me it's Jordan #1, and then I'm still undecided on Kobe vs. Lebron for #2.
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lol u out ya damn mind....either that, or u havent been watchin the games. which is it?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 16, 2013, 01:13:12 PM ---
lol u out ya damn mind....either that, or u havent been watchin the games. which is it?
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Yo... I didn't put him ahead of Kobe, and definitely not on Jordan's level. But it looks like the Heat will take this series, and they will be the favorites again next year. That's 3-peat territory, how can you not think of him on the level of Kobe at that point?
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