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Kobe Bryant picks all-time NBA team
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Citizen-Y on June 29, 2013, 11:57:26 AM ---Dreams stock increases when you compare him against his contemporaries. He was the best center in the league during a time when the league was at its height with talented bigs.
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Problem is that Kareem played head to head with Hakeem and it was to close to say Hakeem was better in his youth than Kareem in his late 30's. Kareem also played in the 80's, also in the height of the league, and he dominated as an old man.
Citizen-Y:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 29, 2013, 12:14:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Citizen-Y on June 29, 2013, 11:57:26 AM ---Dreams stock increases when you compare him against his contemporaries. He was the best center in the league during a time when the league was at its height with talented bigs.
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Problem is that Kareem played head to head with Hakeem and it was to close to say Hakeem was better in his youth than Kareem in his late 30's. Kareem also played in the 80's, also in the height of the league, and he dominated as an old man.
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Kareem was a shell of his self by the time Dream, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Mutombo, Smits, Divac were rounding out. Hell, Sabonis came in a bit to late but had success.
Hack Wilson - real:
Sabonis came to the NBA after his prime sadly, i think because of political reasons. he was great.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Smart Wilson on June 29, 2013, 06:08:33 PM ---Sabonis came to the NBA after his prime sadly, i think because of political reasons. he was great.
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America was robbed of Sabonis in his prime. Dude was a beast in international play. I didn't know the Blazers drafted him in 1986?!? He didn't play until 1995 in the US. Can you imagine Sabonis and Drexler vs. Jordan and Pippen in 1992. That would have been one of the best finals ever. Oh well. Sabonis is the wrench in it all.
--- Quote from: Citizen-Y on June 29, 2013, 04:57:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 29, 2013, 12:14:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Citizen-Y on June 29, 2013, 11:57:26 AM ---Dreams stock increases when you compare him against his contemporaries. He was the best center in the league during a time when the league was at its height with talented bigs.
--- End quote ---
Problem is that Kareem played head to head with Hakeem and it was to close to say Hakeem was better in his youth than Kareem in his late 30's. Kareem also played in the 80's, also in the height of the league, and he dominated as an old man.
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Kareem was a shell of his self by the time Dream, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Mutombo, Smits, Divac were rounding out. Hell, Sabonis came in a bit to late but had success.
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And yet, Kareem was averaging 17.5 ppg and 6.7 apg in 1986-1987, when Dream, Ewing, Laimbeer, The Chief and Moses Malone all played. "Cap" was the king of all centers, even in the 80's. And doing what he did, and being a "shell of himself" was still a great feat. The 1987-1988 and 88-89 seasons, he was 40 and 41 years old, and averaged 14 and 6, and 10 and 4, well only getting 28 and 20 minutes a game respectively. Yet Kareem was still banging and even scored 24 points and grapped 13 rebounds in the NBA Finals against Laimbeer in the game Magic Johnson got hurt in. It was in a losing effort, but he was 41 years old, playing for an NBA title and still hanging with the young guys, and going all out to lead the Lakers to a close game with their season on the line. Had Kareem been 31 instead of 41, there is no question the Lakers win that game and pull back into the series.
We act like Kareem was this ancient player, who was washed up in the 80's already. But he was so consistent that he still had great game in the 80's and was able to continue to play at a high level. With many players, we ask, what would happen if they played against each other, but Kareem did play against the greats of the 80's, and still dominated. Even Hakeen for a year and a half. That's why he's the GOAT. If he dominated Hakeem as an old man, imagine in his prime.
Citizen-Y:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=abdulka01
Kareem was dominant the first two years of Hakeems career. Then the stats turn, just about the time Sampson left Houston.
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