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All Things Trayvon Martin
Nutty:
Zimmerman is 'the grown ass' man here.
Russell Bell:
You dont have to read that in the Denny Green voice. But think about it. I know, tough to do when the media doesnt want us to think about this situation, right?
But Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch guy, who's responsible for reporting and observing suspicious characters around his neighborhood, saw a "suspicious character". Now, most of the media, moron rappers, and dipshit athletes, and also racist blacks and apologist whites, see this as "racism". "Oh, he was doing nothing wrong, just walking down the street while being black".
Well, lets put some context here.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/27/police_investigated_trayvon_martin_over_jewelry/
Police were investigating Trayvon for having a screwdriver and a bunch of womens jewelry (12 pieces) that he could not say where they came from and who they belonged to. Hmmm. So he had women's jewelry and a screwdriver in his possession and couldnt say where they came from or why he had them. Does this sound like someone without something to hide? Or does this sound like the actions of a theif? The VERY same kind of person that someone like Zimmerman was SUPPOSED to be looking for.
But its racism, right? Or was it that Zimmerman actually saw what he saw, and he was right. An innocent person doesnt flip out and pick a fight with someone like that. That is the action of someone with a criminal mind and criminal thought patterns.
These are judgments based upon facts, and they will be tough to digest for some.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Nutty on July 15, 2013, 01:20:39 AM --- Zimmerman is 'the grown ass' man here.
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you do know that trayvon was a thief right? caught with a screwdriver and a bag full of womens jewlery at school, and was investigated by police?
and also that trayvon had almost half a foot on zimmerman?
and that trayvon beat zimmerman into concrete before zimmerman fought back?
and that zimmermans job as neighborhood watch was to watch out for suspicious (See: possibly violent thieves) characters?
i mean, what can you even say to any of that. nothing really.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on July 15, 2013, 01:10:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 14, 2013, 08:24:10 PM ---It's not a race thing, it's about privilege. OJ got off because it's about privilege. This case is everything to do with a shitty prosecution and a child that many don't mind seeing dead.
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you truly live up to your moniker "misinformation dogg". in your first post you rant about "Old saying goes, non-violence is for people of color, violence is for the privilege" then you say "its not a race thing", either youre a moron or just a liar.
you play up the race angle when you think it suits the argument then play it down when you realize most posters on here arent hearing that bullshit.
no wonder you voted for obama.
and a "child"? you cant be serious. trayvon beat the fuck outta zimmerman but you think of him how the media portrayed him as some little child not the grown ass man he was. up your critical thinking skills, man.
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Privilege is privilege. It's bigger than race. It's the fact that Zimmerman's dad was a judge with connections. Also, IF Zimmerman had the right to shoot someone to defend himself, then Martin, a taller black male, HAS THE RIGHT TO BEAT UP A STALKER. Zimmerman was following him and Martin reacted. I am a grown ass man, and I'd do the EXACT same thing.
Also, the beat to death argument, that's played out. One, Martin was found in the grass. here. Warning, graphic picture. http://gawker.com/this-courtesy-of-msnbc-is-trayvon-martins-dead-body-753370712 In the middle of grass, and he really looked like a thug. It was reported through evidence that the fight was no where near the concrete, which Zimmerman said. But the prosecution never mentioned this.
One comment summed up EXACTLY what I'm saying...
--- Quote ---Trayvon was literally steps from his house. He could've gone in, locked the door and called the police. Instead, he started a fistfight and tried to grab Zimmerman's gun. Tragic? Sure. Stupid? Absolutely.
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People of color shouldn't fight back. That's what society has taught us since Dr. King was successful. Now I consider Dr. King my hero, over Malcolm, but society expects everyone to follow that logic. As a person of color, you can't strike back, even against another person of color like Zimmerman being Latino. But if you have privilege, like OJ, like Zimmerman being a judges son, like the cops in the Rodney King trail, then you have the right to use violence.
This is bigger than you mind can comprehend. You see, I've spend the better part of 20 years trying to understand my place in society. At times I find myself looking at someone like Trayvon and calling him stupid because he should have ran home. Other times I find myself angry at the Zimmerman's of the world. Right now, I'm angry at neither. I am too tired to be angry. Instead I'm sick to my stomach at this. You on the other hand have the privilege of being a visitor in this subject. You are turned off by the topic of race because you feel it's used to attack you and others like you. So you can ignore it. I don't have that privilege. Each time I am pulled over for going the flow of traffic, or not allowed to return items at the store, or even walk around my neighborhood without strange looks, I am reminded I am an other. So I think about this. I am not angry at you, have no reason to. I am not angry at Zimmerman. Hell, my wife thinks I look like Zimmerman, minus about 20-30 pounds now that he's gained so much weight.
Still I draw off the wisdom of elders, and a former Indian Chief told me simply, "Non violence is for People of Color, Violence is for the Privileged." And it's true, the most violence is given off by a black man in a white house somewhere in Washington DC. He has that privilege. OJ had it, Zimmerman had it, Dick Cheney had it, Bill Clinton, cops. Why else was Chris Dorner the most fear man in LA. because he fought back. Even with him, I've heard people say, "He should have just wrote a book." Well that does NOTHING. Now as I said, I'm more into Dr. King than Malcolm, I am someone who lives a non violent pacifist lifestyle, and I had a grand-grandpa who died being non-violent in Mexico during the Revolution. At the same time, it's hard to be non violent when others exercise their violence onto you.
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on July 15, 2013, 01:29:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Nutty on July 15, 2013, 01:20:39 AM --- Zimmerman is 'the grown ass' man here.
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you do know that trayvon was a thief right? caught with a screwdriver and a bag full of womens jewlery at school, and was investigated by police?
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The other stuff I mentioned, but this I'll simply say, Zimmerman didn't know this, and the kid in the picture above doesn't look like a criminal.
Nutty:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on July 15, 2013, 01:29:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Nutty on July 15, 2013, 01:20:39 AM --- Zimmerman is 'the grown ass' man here.
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you do know that trayvon was a thief right? caught with a screwdriver and a bag full of womens jewlery at school, and was investigated by police?
and also that trayvon had almost half a foot on zimmerman?
and that trayvon beat zimmerman into concrete before zimmerman fought back?
and that zimmermans job as neighborhood watch was to watch out for suspicious (See: possibly violent thieves) characters?
i mean, what can you even say to any of that. nothing really.
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Kid was a kid.... and cop told zimmerman not to follow him. Stolen jewelery? Petty shit.
I'll admit I dont know much about the case apart from the few minutes I've seen on the news tonight and months back when the story first hit the headlines. Guess I'll have to google.
There was a case in my country where a grown ass man caught a young kid tagging on his fence, dude fetched a kitchen knife from his house, chased the kid down and stabbed him a couple times...... kid died and guess what, dude was white..... folks views split..... just like with the zimmerman case.
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