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Lakers 2013 playoff conspiracy
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 29, 2013, 11:17:24 PM ---I think NIK just deleted his account.
I officially deem "whoisthis" the basketball guru of the forum.
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ARE U THE MOST OVERDRAMATIC POSTER IN DUBCC HISTORY OR JUST TRYIN UR HARDEST TO LIVE UP TO THE FORUM-HOMO TITLE UV BEEN GIVEN?
I CAN PICTURE U FAINTING AFTER U READ PRO-LEBRON RANTS LMAO
whoisthis:
Those stats posted in regards to % where LeBron/Kobe shoot from was to contradict you're notion that LeBron is only has a better shooting % because of what he does at the Rim. Those numbers prove otherwise. LeBron taking the wide open shot is the SMART play and it results in a higher percentage shot. It's not really a function of him being a Small Forward. T-Mac played a lot of Small Forward, check his Shooting %. Ron Artest. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. To name a few. All these guys have career shooting % averages AT or below where Kobe is. It's style of play, more than Position that figures into how one shoots. One thing Kobe fans always try to do is emphasize the tough defenses he faces. Now, granted, a team will not sag off Kobe and allow him to shoot. But, Kobe is not facing shut down Defenders every night either. When Kobe is double teamed or has a man draped on him, he could decide to pass. He chooses not to. His shooting percentages suffer because of that. You can only use the tough defenses as an excuse so long.
One minute you say LeBron is Pass-First. The next you say he's scared to shoot. LeBron tries to go for the smart play, not the hero play. He was facing tough defense in the Paint. Instead of forcing the issue in the paint, he passed. This is not scared. This is adjusting. 6-24 is obviously not scared, but it shows that there was absolutely no adjustment at all. Your eye test only includes scoring. Did he not Rebound like hell in game 1? Remember you just gave Kobe props for his rebounding in Game 7, why not LeBron? The Eye Test on shooting says LeBron had a tough night. The eye test on the GAME shows LeBron did a lot of other things needed. The team lost, these things happen. But that's why it's a 7 game series. Why is when the Lakers lose, like they did in Game 3 vs. Boston, you're not calling Kobe out? And again, Chalmers scored 1 point extra. You're calling someone else dramatic but what do you call gloating about someone having 1 extra point? Was Chalmers the leading scorer sure, but you're acting like he was 10+ points up on LeBron with your little "LOL" at the end. Yet, you leave out the fact that he led his team in Rebounds and Assists and that he had 2 steals.
Thus far you've generalized each loss and attributed it to LeBron's poor play. Yet, this is how you characterized Kobe's Game 2:
--- Quote ---GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
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No mention that his 8/20 nor his 2/7 from 3 were well below his season averages. And also, never blamed Kobe for the loss. Why?
Why do you characterize Game 6 for LeBron as
--- Quote ---WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE...
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Yet you say this about Kobe's Game 7
--- Quote ---GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
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Why aren't you mentioning how poorly he shot? Or that he was saved by a Ron Artest 3 and a Pau Gasol Rebound after Kobe missed a 3? Sound familiar? Just curious why you're not analyzing Kobe's games the same as LeBron, even though there are many similar situations and circumstances.
Also, not sure where you're getting your info, but if your eyes told you LeBron got most of his stats in Game 6 in Overtime here's his line in OT:
2/2/0 1/3 MAAAAN! He sure padded his stats there. What a disaster his game was during regulation! 30/8/10 10/23. What a bad game within regulation.
As far as how Kobe is treated and LeBron treated by the refs, mayn, the numbers, again, do not lie. Kobe got to the line 21 more times. 3 times extra per game. If Kobe would've had LeBron's free throw attempts those numbers he put up would've been far less. Specifically his "Masterful" game 7 where he got to the line 15 times. Sorry mayn. I'm just pointing out the opposite of what you are pointing out to put the whole story out there for both sides. Not just the good Kobe did and the bad LeBron did as you've tried to do so far.
Lastly, maybe you should utilize stats because your "eye test" has failed here. These stats are not manipulated. They are last 5 minutes, +/-5 Points. And the numbers are how these players performed last season. Much like the shooting stats, you attempt to discredit any stat that gives LeBron an edge. Sorry buddy.
Citizen-Y:
Kobe is done.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM ---Those stats posted in regards to % where LeBron/Kobe shoot from was to contradict you're notion that LeBron is only has a better shooting % because of what he does at the Rim. Those numbers prove otherwise. LeBron taking the wide open shot is the SMART play and it results in a higher percentage shot. It's not really a function of him being a Small Forward. T-Mac played a lot of Small Forward, check his Shooting %. Ron Artest. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. To name a few. All these guys have career shooting % averages AT or below where Kobe is. It's style of play, more than Position that figures into how one shoots. One thing Kobe fans always try to do is emphasize the tough defenses he faces. Now, granted, a team will not sag off Kobe and allow him to shoot. But, Kobe is not facing shut down Defenders every night either. When Kobe is double teamed or has a man draped on him, he could decide to pass. He chooses not to. His shooting percentages suffer because of that. You can only use the tough defenses as an excuse so long.
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THERE IS NO WAY 2 DENY THAT LEBRON GETS EASIER LOOKS THAN KOBE, AND EVEN MELO OR DURANT, MAINLY BECAUSE HE IS PASS-FIRST, SHOOT SECOND. NOT AS FEARED AS A SHOOTER OR DOESNT BEAT U WITH THE HANDLES, CANT SPLIT DEFENDERS, NO FOOTWORK. HE IS GUARDED AS A PASSER, HE IS MOSTLY FEARED IN TRANSITION WHEN IT COMES TO SCORING....AND CONSIDERING HE PLAYS WITH KNOCK DOWN SHOOTERS, HIS PASSING IS WHAT HE'S GUARDED ON....MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT A BETTER FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, WOULD U REGARD HIM AS A BETTER SCORER? COME ON, NOW
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM ---
One minute you say LeBron is Pass-First. The next you say he's scared to shoot. LeBron tries to go for the smart play, not the hero play. He was facing tough defense in the Paint. Instead of forcing the issue in the paint, he passed. This is not scared. This is adjusting. 6-24 is obviously not scared, but it shows that there was absolutely no adjustment at all. Your eye test only includes scoring. Did he not Rebound like hell in game 1? Remember you just gave Kobe props for his rebounding in Game 7, why not LeBron? The Eye Test on shooting says LeBron had a tough night. The eye test on the GAME shows LeBron did a lot of other things needed. The team lost, these things happen. But that's why it's a 7 game series. Why is when the Lakers lose, like they did in Game 3 vs. Boston, you're not calling Kobe out? And again, Chalmers scored 1 point extra. You're calling someone else dramatic but what do you call gloating about someone having 1 extra point? Was Chalmers the leading scorer sure, but you're acting like he was 10+ points up on LeBron with your little "LOL" at the end. Yet, you leave out the fact that he led his team in Rebounds and Assists and that he had 2 steals.
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HE'S PASS FIRST + HESITANT TO SHOOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAME GETS MORE INTENSE AND/OR MOMENTUM BELONGS TO THE OPPOSING TEAM..IT GOES HAND IN HAND, AND DONT ACT LIKE THIS IS SOME GROUNDBREAKING SHIT IM COMIN WITH. IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED AND A COMMON THEME IN LEBRON DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF HIS FLAWS. BUT LIKE I SAID, LEBRON IS A STAT PADDER...HE DIDNT GET REBOUNDS (IN THAT LOSS, LOL) BECAUSE HIS TEAM NEEDED IT. AS OPPOSED TO KOBE, WHO WENT INTO GAME 7 KNOWIN THAT REBOUNDING WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SERIES, WITH A MINDSET TO ATTACK THE BOARDS ABOVE ALL ELSE. WHEN THE LAKERS NEEDED REBOUNDING, KOBE REBOUNDED. THE HEAT NEEDED LEBRON TO SCORE FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE GAMES, AND HE PUTS UP UNDER 20 POINTS EVERY TIME- SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET..I DONT CARE HOW MANY REBOUNDS HE STEALS FROM HIS TEAMMATES IN GARBAGE TIME. HEAT LOST THE GAME CUZ LEBRON FAILED TO SCORE AT HIS NORMAL RATE. THATS WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM ---
Thus far you've generalized each loss and attributed it to LeBron's poor play. Yet, this is how you characterized Kobe's Game 2:
--- Quote ---GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
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No mention that his 8/20 nor his 2/7 from 3 were well below his season averages. And also, never blamed Kobe for the loss. Why?
Why do you characterize Game 6 for LeBron as
--- Quote ---WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE...
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Yet you say this about Kobe's Game 7
--- Quote ---GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
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Why aren't you mentioning how poorly he shot? Or that he was saved by a Ron Artest 3 and a Pau Gasol Rebound after Kobe missed a 3? Sound familiar? Just curious why you're not analyzing Kobe's games the same as LeBron, even though there are many similar situations and circumstances.
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WHY? BECAUSE KOBE AND LEBRON ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, AND THATS THE SHIT THAT DONT SHOW UP ON STATS...LEBRON SCORES UNDER 20 POINTS IN THREE STRAIGHT GAMES BECAUSE OF ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY...HIS NERVES. HIS FEAR OF THE BIG STAGE. HIS TENDENCY TO FREEZE UP AND BECOME EXTREMELY PASSIVE. THATS WHAT IT IS. KOBE SHOOTS 6/24, IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE'S DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR LOSING HIS EDGE....IT'S BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD SHOOTING NIGHT. AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HE'S FACING ONE OF THE TOUGHEST DEFENSES EVER- IT PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE REASONING BEHIND WHY LEBRON CAN GO THREE STRAIGHT GAMES UNDER 20....STAT NERDS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT 2 TRY AND MANIPULATE WHATS REAL, BUT DEEP DOWN, U KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM ---
Also, not sure where you're getting your info, but if your eyes told you LeBron got most of his stats in Game 6 in Overtime here's his line in OT:
2/2/0 1/3 MAAAAN! He sure padded his stats there. What a disaster his game was during regulation! 30/8/10 10/23. What a bad game within regulation.
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OK, NOT IN OVERTIME, WHEN THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...BEFORE THAT HE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 3/14 ...BUT EITHER WAY, I CREDITED THIS AS ONE OF THE GOOD GAMES.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM ---
As far as how Kobe is treated and LeBron treated by the refs, mayn, the numbers, again, do not lie. Kobe got to the line 21 more times. 3 times extra per game. If Kobe would've had LeBron's free throw attempts those numbers he put up would've been far less. Specifically his "Masterful" game 7 where he got to the line 15 times. Sorry mayn. I'm just pointing out the opposite of what you are pointing out to put the whole story out there for both sides. Not just the good Kobe did and the bad LeBron did as you've tried to do so far.
Lastly, maybe you should utilize stats because your "eye test" has failed here. These stats are not manipulated. They are last 5 minutes, +/-5 Points. And the numbers are how these players performed last season. Much like the shooting stats, you attempt to discredit any stat that gives LeBron an edge. Sorry buddy.
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AGAIN, KOBE WAS ATTACKING AGAINST TOUGH DEFENSE THAT WOULDNT LET HIM BREATHE, THAT BOSTON D WASNT GIVING HIM OPEN SHOTS, AND IF HE TOOK IT TO THE RIM, HE WAS GETTING HAMMERED....LEBRON WAS GIVEN 5 FOOT CUSHIONS, BEING BAITED INTO TAKIN JUMPSHOTS INSTEAD OF ATTACKIN....I POINTED THIS OUT, DUNO WHY U BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN? IF LEBRON ATTACKED THE RIM FROM GAME 1, THEN WE WOULDNT EVEN BE HERE DISCUSSING HOW HE UNDERPERFORMED FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES. BUT THE FACT IS, HE WASN'T ATTACKING..INSTEAD, HE WAS SETTLING, AND IT WAS THE TALK OF THE SERIES LEADING INTO GAME 6. PEEPS WERE ASKIN WHEN LEBRON WOULD SHOW UP...WELL, THAT LEBRON DID SHOW UP. WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF AND THE STARS ALIGNED, HE WAS GIVEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. HE TURNED IT UP A NOTCH AND WENT INTO REGULAR SEASON MODE...BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE WAS UNDERPERFORMING FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES.
Citizen-Y:
That's it guys, Lebron never plays against a good defense. Close the thread.
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