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whoisthis:
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YOU'RE FIGHTING A BATTLE U CANT WIN.....ALL MY ARGUMENTS STAND, NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SPIN SHIT IN UR FAVOR. FACT REMAINS, SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SHOOTING GUARDS, JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS....AND THERE U GO AGAIN, PROVING MY POINT. MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, THATS WHY HIS PERCENTAGES WERE BETTER, NOT BECAUSE HE'S "A BETTER SCORER"....HAS LEBRON NOT SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER? SERIOUSLY, MY DUDE, UR STARTIN 2 ANNOY ME WITH THESE WEAK ASS ARGUMENTS. UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVING MY POINT AT EVERY TURN, WHILE DOING EXACTLY WHAT UR CLAIMIN I DO...TWISTING ARGUMENTS TO FAVOR UR SIDE. I SEE U, BUDDY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING CLAIMS SOLEY BASED ON FEELING, IT'S CALLED THE EYE-TEST FOR A REASON. EYES DONT LIE....U KNOW, FOR A FACT, THAT KOBE IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED WAY HARDER AND MORE OFTEN THAN LEBRON,...WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE LEBRON HAS LESS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OR BECAUSE HE HAS MORE CAPABLE TEAMMATES IS UP FOR DEBATE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
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It's not a matter of win/lose. Maybe for you... I guess that's important in your life. All I'm doing I making it known that you have flawed views when it comes to the LeBron/Kobe discussion. You keep generalizing that SF's shoot higher percentages than SG's and use Center's as reasoning. Both the SF and SG position today are much more similar than ever before. George, Korver, Melo, Danny Green, Artest & Carter: All in the top 20 of 3PA last season. When you consider that 7 SG's are on that list, you can see how even similar the positions are. 6 Small Forwards (Ryan Anderson is really a Small Forward, too, but for this conversation he'll stay a Power Forward) and 7 Shooting Guards in the top 20. As for the Magic/Michael conversation. Bro, Magic put up around 1,000 and Michael put up 1,700. We're not talking a huge difference over the course of a career. That's not why Magic shot better. Magic played INSIDE a lot. He was in and around the paint OFTEN. Michael played a lot of Mid-Range. I mean, really, does that really play into your argument, or against? LeBron has put up 3,000 and Kobe 4,800. Keep in mind, Kobe has 7 years on LeBron. Break those down into Per Game basis and LeBron actually averages more but 1 tenth of a percentage. Meaning, LeBron is putting up 3's at the same clip as Kobe, he just hasn't been in the league long enough. Yet again, your point is proven as feeling and not fact. Fact's do not lie. Your eyes do.
--- Quote ---WHY ARE U FAILING TO ADDRESS MY GREATEST POINTS? WHAT KOBE DID WAS IN A WIN...WHAT LEBRON DID WAS IN A LOSS. AND YEA, LEBRON IS KNOWN AS A STAT-PADDER. HE'S ALSO A BIGGER, STRONGER PLAYER, WHO PLAYS A POSITION THAT, AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, COLLECTS MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE'S POSITION. SO KOBE GOIN ALL OUT AND COLLECTING 15 REBOUNDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN LEBRON GRABBIN A BUNCHA MEANINGLESS BOARDS IN A LOSS, NO MATTER HOW U TRY SLICIN IT. AND AGAIN, LEBRON FREEZES IN BIG MOMENTS...ANSWER HONESTLY, DO U NOT SEE IT? THAT IS WHY HE SHOOTS UNDER 20 FOR THREE STRAIGHT FINAL GAMES, NO OTHER REASON...CAN U BE REAL AND ADMIT THIS?
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I've not seen that point. Merely just you avoiding or making excuses for Kobe's bad games and crushing LeBron for his. Did you watch Game 1 when he grabbed 18 boards? That game was close, not a blow out. It came down to a circus shot by Tony Parker. In a game like that, 18 boards is meaningless? Wow. And yet again, you are generalizing positions as if that means something. Jason Kidd has 2,000 more rebounds than Kobe. It would take Kobe another 5 or so seasons to catch Jason Kidd. Kobe is bigger. Stronger. Plays a position where he should grab more rebounds... yet he didn't. Position is just a just a label today, unless you're a big man who cannot stretch the floor. Point Guards play the 2, 2's play the 1 and 3 and 3's play the 2 and 1... LeBron has had bad games, sure. No one is hiding that. But, those are just bad games offensively. He does other things to make up for them like Defending the best player on the team, Rebounding, finding the open teammates etc. He shot under 20 for 3 straight games, so what. He didn't make his shots, but he also didn't get to the line to compensate. I call your attention to Kobe's 6/24 performance. He got to the line 15 times, made 11. Scored 23. LeBron never put up more than 4 Free-Throws in his bad games. All things even: Kobe only scores 15 in Game 7. But, and this was the whole reason for the topic in the first place, Kobe GOT THE CALLS and went on to score over 20.
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LMAO..THIS AGAIN? I ALREADY CREDITED THIS AS A GOOD GAME
SMFH
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Yes. Because you don't just say "Good game." You always say "Good game after..." or "Good game... but he got most of his stats in OT." And then attribute that to your eye-test. Well, it's obvious your eye-test has failed. SMFH
--- Quote ---WHY ARE U FORGETTING THAT BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM WITH SINGLE COVERAGE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE SERIES?....LOL. HOW MANY POINTS WOULD KOBE SCORE WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY BORIS DIAW? SERIOUSLY?? AT LEAST 50, AND U KNOW IT. POINT IS, LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING TO THE POINT THAT THE DEFENSE ON HIM BECAME LAX, AND THERES REALLY NO DENYIN IT, BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE GAME-FILM. DONT BELIEVE ME? WATCH IT AGAIN, MAYN.
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Yes, Diaw guarded him with space because he did not want LeBron to get that first step. He also used his body and played LeBron physical. LeBron did not get many calls against Diaw even though there was contact. Diaw played less than 20 minutes of the first 3 games. 144 total minutes possible, only 20 played. So, sure, you can credit Diaw for those first 3 games, if that's what your eye-tests tell you. When he played LeBron mostly was games 4-7 when LeBron averaged 31 a game. No need to watch game film, mayn. Did LeBron have a tough time against Diaw? Sure. But, he still ended up having some great games.
Chamillitary Click:
LMAO.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 05:52:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 02, 2013, 11:28:50 PM ---
YOU'RE FIGHTING A BATTLE U CANT WIN.....ALL MY ARGUMENTS STAND, NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SPIN SHIT IN UR FAVOR. FACT REMAINS, SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SHOOTING GUARDS, JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS....AND THERE U GO AGAIN, PROVING MY POINT. MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, THATS WHY HIS PERCENTAGES WERE BETTER, NOT BECAUSE HE'S "A BETTER SCORER"....HAS LEBRON NOT SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER? SERIOUSLY, MY DUDE, UR STARTIN 2 ANNOY ME WITH THESE WEAK ASS ARGUMENTS. UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVING MY POINT AT EVERY TURN, WHILE DOING EXACTLY WHAT UR CLAIMIN I DO...TWISTING ARGUMENTS TO FAVOR UR SIDE. I SEE U, BUDDY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING CLAIMS SOLEY BASED ON FEELING, IT'S CALLED THE EYE-TEST FOR A REASON. EYES DONT LIE....U KNOW, FOR A FACT, THAT KOBE IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED WAY HARDER AND MORE OFTEN THAN LEBRON,...WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE LEBRON HAS LESS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OR BECAUSE HE HAS MORE CAPABLE TEAMMATES IS UP FOR DEBATE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
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It's not a matter of win/lose. Maybe for you... I guess that's important in your life. All I'm doing I making it known that you have flawed views when it comes to the LeBron/Kobe discussion. You keep generalizing that SF's shoot higher percentages than SG's and use Center's as reasoning. Both the SF and SG position today are much more similar than ever before. George, Korver, Melo, Danny Green, Artest & Carter: All in the top 20 of 3PA last season. When you consider that 7 SG's are on that list, you can see how even similar the positions are. 6 Small Forwards (Ryan Anderson is really a Small Forward, too, but for this conversation he'll stay a Power Forward) and 7 Shooting Guards in the top 20. As for the Magic/Michael conversation. Bro, Magic put up around 1,000 and Michael put up 1,700. We're not talking a huge difference over the course of a career. That's not why Magic shot better. Magic played INSIDE a lot. He was in and around the paint OFTEN. Michael played a lot of Mid-Range. I mean, really, does that really play into your argument, or against? LeBron has put up 3,000 and Kobe 4,800. Keep in mind, Kobe has 7 years on LeBron. Break those down into Per Game basis and LeBron actually averages more but 1 tenth of a percentage. Meaning, LeBron is putting up 3's at the same clip as Kobe, he just hasn't been in the league long enough. Yet again, your point is proven as feeling and not fact. Fact's do not lie. Your eyes do.
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YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 05:52:14 AM ---
--- Quote ---WHY ARE U FAILING TO ADDRESS MY GREATEST POINTS? WHAT KOBE DID WAS IN A WIN...WHAT LEBRON DID WAS IN A LOSS. AND YEA, LEBRON IS KNOWN AS A STAT-PADDER. HE'S ALSO A BIGGER, STRONGER PLAYER, WHO PLAYS A POSITION THAT, AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, COLLECTS MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE'S POSITION. SO KOBE GOIN ALL OUT AND COLLECTING 15 REBOUNDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN LEBRON GRABBIN A BUNCHA MEANINGLESS BOARDS IN A LOSS, NO MATTER HOW U TRY SLICIN IT. AND AGAIN, LEBRON FREEZES IN BIG MOMENTS...ANSWER HONESTLY, DO U NOT SEE IT? THAT IS WHY HE SHOOTS UNDER 20 FOR THREE STRAIGHT FINAL GAMES, NO OTHER REASON...CAN U BE REAL AND ADMIT THIS?
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I've not seen that point. Merely just you avoiding or making excuses for Kobe's bad games and crushing LeBron for his. Did you watch Game 1 when he grabbed 18 boards? That game was close, not a blow out. It came down to a circus shot by Tony Parker. In a game like that, 18 boards is meaningless? Wow. And yet again, you are generalizing positions as if that means something. Jason Kidd has 2,000 more rebounds than Kobe. It would take Kobe another 5 or so seasons to catch Jason Kidd. Kobe is bigger. Stronger. Plays a position where he should grab more rebounds... yet he didn't. Position is just a just a label today, unless you're a big man who cannot stretch the floor. Point Guards play the 2, 2's play the 1 and 3 and 3's play the 2 and 1... LeBron has had bad games, sure. No one is hiding that. But, those are just bad games offensively. He does other things to make up for them like Defending the best player on the team, Rebounding, finding the open teammates etc. He shot under 20 for 3 straight games, so what. He didn't make his shots, but he also didn't get to the line to compensate. I call your attention to Kobe's 6/24 performance. He got to the line 15 times, made 11. Scored 23. LeBron never put up more than 4 Free-Throws in his bad games. All things even: Kobe only scores 15 in Game 7. But, and this was the whole reason for the topic in the first place, Kobe GOT THE CALLS and went on to score over 20.
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JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 05:52:14 AM ---
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LMAO..THIS AGAIN? I ALREADY CREDITED THIS AS A GOOD GAME
SMFH
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Yes. Because you don't just say "Good game." You always say "Good game after..." or "Good game... but he got most of his stats in OT." And then attribute that to your eye-test. Well, it's obvious your eye-test has failed. SMFH
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NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 05:52:14 AM ---
--- Quote ---WHY ARE U FORGETTING THAT BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM WITH SINGLE COVERAGE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE SERIES?....LOL. HOW MANY POINTS WOULD KOBE SCORE WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY BORIS DIAW? SERIOUSLY?? AT LEAST 50, AND U KNOW IT. POINT IS, LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING TO THE POINT THAT THE DEFENSE ON HIM BECAME LAX, AND THERES REALLY NO DENYIN IT, BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE GAME-FILM. DONT BELIEVE ME? WATCH IT AGAIN, MAYN.
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Yes, Diaw guarded him with space because he did not want LeBron to get that first step. He also used his body and played LeBron physical. LeBron did not get many calls against Diaw even though there was contact. Diaw played less than 20 minutes of the first 3 games. 144 total minutes possible, only 20 played. So, sure, you can credit Diaw for those first 3 games, if that's what your eye-tests tell you. When he played LeBron mostly was games 4-7 when LeBron averaged 31 a game. No need to watch game film, mayn. Did LeBron have a tough time against Diaw? Sure. But, he still ended up having some great games.
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U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 05, 2013, 09:40:44 AM ---LMAO.
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LOL UR SO GAY
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2013, 11:11:06 AM ---
YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
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Trying too hard? Is that what your eye test tells you? Anyway, thanks for posting that link. It proves my point about you generalizing a position. LeBron is number 1 on the list and put 250+ 3's last season. The next 3 on that list put up 81 3's last season... Combined. Kevin Durant is next with over 300 (50/40/90 by the way). Chandler Parsons with just under 400 3's. Josh Smith put up over 200 ill advised 3's. Matt Barnes, over 300. Ersan put up over 200 and lastly Melo over 400 3's.
Here at the SG's: Wade, 66. Dudley, 270. Kobe, over 400. Iggy, close to 300. Martin, 370+. Mayo, 350. Henderson, 100. Derozan, 120. Afflalo, 240. Crawford just under 400.
The games are not very different outside of Faried, Marion & Young. But, those 3 are why you cannot just generalize positions. LeBron and KD put up over 250 & 300, respectively, 3's and shot over 50%. It's not because of their position because they're putting up plenty of outside shots. Magic played in the Paint or as close to it as possible because that was his game. He did not have much range. As a Laker fan you should know that. Magic never put up more than 56 3's in a season until 88-89, he entered the league in 79-80.
Now remember, you've gone through all of this, just to prove that Kobe's terrible shooting games meant less than LeBron's terrible shooting games. And I'm the one trying too hard?
Just to refresh your memory:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on July 29, 2013, 06:27:01 PM ---
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...
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Yeah... about that whole trying too hard thing...
--- Quote --- JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
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And LeBron is not your average Small Forward. When a point is made, you always try to spin it. Fact remains that you attribute LeBron's rebounding ability to his "size and strength," but do not hold Kobe to that same standard when I compare a 6'3" (6'4" on a great day) Point Guard who "rebounded like a big man." What about Rondo & Westbrook? 1 is about 6' and the other is about 6'2", 6'3". Both are within 1 rebound per game over their career with Kobe. You want to know what a bad example is? When you're discussing 2 wing players and you bring up a 7'1" 300+ Center and compare him to a Guard who played Mid-Range, when talking about Field Goal Percentage? Or a 6'9" Guard who played Free Throw and in, to the same Guard who played mostly Mid-Range? Not even close.
The Jason Kidd comparison plays into your idea of "size and strength" because he's much smaller than Kobe, but rebounded much better. Furthermore, Kevin Love by all accounts is probably no more than 6'7". Rodman was more 6'6". Both of these guys are not the biggest or strongest and have led the NBA in rebounds. Rebound is about positioning, will and heart. DeAndre Jordan is an athletic 7 footer, still a poor rebounder. Reggie Evans is much smaller and was the teams best rebounder when he was on the Clippers, not the bigger and strong DeAndre Jordan. You generalize far too much.
Lastly, you must've never watched the Finals because LeBron did drive and he got a lot of contact and very few calls, as evident in the fact that he hardly got to the line. He had to settle for Jumpers because he was not getting to the basket easily.
--- Quote ---NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
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Oh really? That's all you said?
--- Quote ---THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME)
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So, yes, your eye test did fail you. Or you just didn't watch the game. Which is it? Because you attributed LeBron's stats to OT, but I already showed you otherwise. And by the way, you see how you just can't say he had a good game 6? It's programmed in your brain to say "until" because you just can't give LeBron credit.
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U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
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Boris Diaw slowed LeBron in the last 4 games, but never stopped him. Hence why the man averaged 30+ a game over those 4 games. Your point was to downgrade what LeBron did because of how Diaw defended him. But, again, you don't look at the fact that LeBron averaged over 30. Yet, when Kobe has a bad game, you overlook the bad game and look at what he did well. And THAT my friend is the full circle of your inability to discuss Kobe and LeBron without bias.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 07:22:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2013, 11:11:06 AM ---
YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
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Trying too hard? Is that what your eye test tells you? Anyway, thanks for posting that link. It proves my point about you generalizing a position. LeBron is number 1 on the list and put 250+ 3's last season. The next 3 on that list put up 81 3's last season... Combined. Kevin Durant is next with over 300 (50/40/90 by the way). Chandler Parsons with just under 400 3's. Josh Smith put up over 200 ill advised 3's. Matt Barnes, over 300. Ersan put up over 200 and lastly Melo over 400 3's.
Here at the SG's: Wade, 66. Dudley, 270. Kobe, over 400. Iggy, close to 300. Martin, 370+. Mayo, 350. Henderson, 100. Derozan, 120. Afflalo, 240. Crawford just under 400.
The games are not very different outside of Faried, Marion & Young. But, those 3 are why you cannot just generalize positions. LeBron and KD put up over 250 & 300, respectively, 3's and shot over 50%. It's not because of their position because they're putting up plenty of outside shots. Magic played in the Paint or as close to it as possible because that was his game. He did not have much range. As a Laker fan you should know that. Magic never put up more than 56 3's in a season until 88-89, he entered the league in 79-80.
Now remember, you've gone through all of this, just to prove that Kobe's terrible shooting games meant less than LeBron's terrible shooting games. And I'm the one trying too hard?
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LOL THREES OR NOT, SMALL FORWARDS GENERALLY TAKE MORE INSIDE SHOTS AND LESS OUTSIDE SHOTS...GENERALLY. THIS IS A FACT. PULL UP ANY EXAMPLES U WANT, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THE SAME...3'S TYPICALLY SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES ON AVERAGE, BECAUSE GENERAL POSITIONING PUTS SHOOTING GUARDS IN AN OUTSIDE-MIDRANGE GAME AND THERES NO WAY AROUND THAT. ONE CANNOT ARGUE THAT LEBRON DOES NOT GET MORE SHOTS AT THE RIM, IN TRANSITION, INDISE ETC THAN KOBE BRYANT. IN DOING SO, YOU'D BE AN IDIOT. SO MY MAIN POINT STANDS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH U'D LIKE TO SHUT IT DOWN.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 07:22:02 PM ---
Just to refresh your memory:
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BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...
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Yeah... about that whole trying too hard thing...
--- Quote --- JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
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And LeBron is not your average Small Forward. When a point is made, you always try to spin it. Fact remains that you attribute LeBron's rebounding ability to his "size and strength," but do not hold Kobe to that same standard when I compare a 6'3" (6'4" on a great day) Point Guard who "rebounded like a big man." What about Rondo & Westbrook? 1 is about 6' and the other is about 6'2", 6'3". Both are within 1 rebound per game over their career with Kobe. You want to know what a bad example is? When you're discussing 2 wing players and you bring up a 7'1" 300+ Center and compare him to a Guard who played Mid-Range, when talking about Field Goal Percentage? Or a 6'9" Guard who played Free Throw and in, to the same Guard who played mostly Mid-Range? Not even close.
The Jason Kidd comparison plays into your idea of "size and strength" because he's much smaller than Kobe, but rebounded much better. Furthermore, Kevin Love by all accounts is probably no more than 6'7". Rodman was more 6'6". Both of these guys are not the biggest or strongest and have led the NBA in rebounds. Rebound is about positioning, will and heart. DeAndre Jordan is an athletic 7 footer, still a poor rebounder. Reggie Evans is much smaller and was the teams best rebounder when he was on the Clippers, not the bigger and strong DeAndre Jordan. You generalize far too much.
Lastly, you must've never watched the Finals because LeBron did drive and he got a lot of contact and very few calls, as evident in the fact that he hardly got to the line. He had to settle for Jumpers because he was not getting to the basket easily.
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YEA, BUT LEBRON DOES FIT THE BILL WHEN COMPARING SHOOTING GUARDS TO SMALL FORWARDS, CUZ HE DOES PLAY LESS OUTSIDE AND MORE AT THE RIM....SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE EXTRA SMALL CHOP IS ABOUT, BUT THROUGH EVERYTHING U COME UP WITH, MY FACTS STILL REMAIN. IT'S JUST FUNNY TO ME HOW U KEEP BRINGIN UP THESE ARBITRARY EXAMPLE TO DISPROVE WHAT I SAY, YET, IT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT....ON AVERAGE THE BIGGER YOU ARE THE MORE REBOUNDS YOU COLLECT......AM I WRONG OR NOT? AGAIN, KEY WORDS, ON AVERAGE. I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF RUSSELL WESTBROOK OR JASON KIDD ARE BEASTS ON THE BOARDS, BECAUSE THAT IS UNUSUAL FOR PLAYERS OF THEIR POSITION. DIRK ALSO SHOOTS THREES LIKE A MUFUCKA, IT STILL DOESNT MAKE IT TYPICAL FOR A 7 FOOTER TO BE AN OUTSIDE FORCE. COME ON, BRODIE.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 07:22:02 PM ---
--- Quote ---NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
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Oh really? That's all you said?
--- Quote ---THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME)
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So, yes, your eye test did fail you. Or you just didn't watch the game. Which is it? Because you attributed LeBron's stats to OT, but I already showed you otherwise. And by the way, you see how you just can't say he had a good game 6? It's programmed in your brain to say "until" because you just can't give LeBron credit.
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UR TRYIN TOO HARD, AGAIN...I ALREADY SAID I CREDITED IT AS A GOOD GAME A MILLION TIMES, AND ALREADY ADMITTED TO MISTAKING HIS STATS COMING IN OVERTIME. QUIT WITH THE STRETCH ARMSTRONG MOTIVES, SHITS GETTIN STRETCHY AS A MUFUCKA ROUND HERE.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on August 05, 2013, 07:22:02 PM ---
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U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
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Boris Diaw slowed LeBron in the last 4 games, but never stopped him. Hence why the man averaged 30+ a game over those 4 games. Your point was to downgrade what LeBron did because of how Diaw defended him. But, again, you don't look at the fact that LeBron averaged over 30. Yet, when Kobe has a bad game, you overlook the bad game and look at what he did well. And THAT my friend is the full circle of your inability to discuss Kobe and LeBron without bias.
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BUT U STILL MISSIN THE POINTS AND FAILIN TO ADDRESS EM
1.HE WAS GUARDED WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY AN OLD SLOW MAN
2.HE WAS GUARDED LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF HIS POOR PLAY
3.IF KOBE WAS GUARDED BY SAID PLAYER, HE'D SCORE 50+
CIRCLES IS UR GAME. I ADDRESS EVERY 1 OF UR POINTS, WHILE U CONTINUE DANCING AROUND MINE, WHILE BRINGIN UP THE WEAKEST OF EXAMPLES TO DISPROVE FACTS I'M PROVIDING. NOT SAYIN U CHAM STATUS, CUZ U PLAYIN NOT TOO FAR BEHIND... BUT THIS IS CLEARLY MY GAME AND I'M WAITING FOR SOME MORE INTERESTING POINTS TO BE MADE, CONSIDERIN UR CIRCLES ARE STARTIN 2 BORE ME, CUD.
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