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Is Islam A Peaceful Religion?
heyyou:
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on August 14, 2013, 01:43:26 AM ---Religion - The oldest form of population control ever invented.
"If you don't live by these rules, you will spend an eternity in hell" as most of them goes.... Fortunately science has been able to debunk a lot of religion truths and myths over the century's. Thunder, which was once thought as gods anger, can now be explained rationally and scientifically. That's why religion is losing it's grip today, not because of society not caring, but because people can now see past the BS.
Islam is peaceful but it doesn't conform to Western ideals so it will continue to be demonized as a religion of hate, violence and terror. There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting. Islamic nations will never submit, so they must be cleansed (according to a former CIA operative)
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Yeah, i have to agree with you that on the whole religion is just mind/social control over the people.
One of my muslim friends had to break her fast during ramadan and she felt so bad thinking she's going to hell etc. I asked her where hell is (& heaven), why men have 72 virgins in paradise, what about women if they are equal etc.
Then you have Jizya tax, women being less than a man, women needing more than 1 witness in a rape, Mohammed (50+ years old) having sex with a 9 year old, stoning, amputations, beheadings etc.
I know people will say, those passages that give authority to the above are out of context & mis-translated, but there's a lot of people who mis-translate or they have to translate it beyond recognition of the original text to explain some of the passages to make it acceptable in the modern day & westerners.
I do believe there are good points within Islam but there's too many things which say to me that the Koran isn't 'perfect' & should be questioned (i'm not saying other religions are perfect either).
That doesn't mean i don't believe there's a god or in spirituality however.
So no I also disagree with Islam being an inherently peaceful religion
Aladin:
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on August 14, 2013, 01:43:26 AM ---There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
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You Are wrong!
you should study Zionist-christian eschatology and Zionist-jewish eschatology.
I didn't say christians and jews. Because the divide line is not a religious one, it is an eschatological one.
And since you are not aware of their view let me give you their view in a nutshell:
Christian-Zionist; like in that video believe that when the big wars start (Which is called Armegadon) They get beemed up 2 heaven the moment before that starts, so they are save. So they look forward to it. Look at their movie called "Left Behind."
The Jewish-Zionist: believe that the Messiah will only come (Not Jesus, they reject him) when the world is at conflict.
And when he comes the glorious days of the jewish state that ruled the world will come into being. They also look foward 2 it.
These two who are allies.. are hellbend... Let me repeat that for you Atheist. HELLBEND on accomplishing that goal.
They will not stop, they will not compromise and they don't care if bilions have 2 die.
They are being used by what I believe is the Anti-christ.
If you don't have that religious framework. You don't have a clue what is going on in the world right now.
@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
V2DHeart:
People believe what they want. Me being atheist doesn't mean I support anything bad. I'm far more open to the belief of the Annunaki than religion any day of the week. Given the mystery surrounding the advanced methods unmistakably used in the construction of pyramids around the globe, and the engineering expertise in ancient times, the knowledge of our solar system, it's evident people in ancient times had an advanced knowledge and assistance from somewhere to know and do these things.
To the common man, and to the masses - pyramids are nothing more than structural tombs for former kings, but to those with engineering backgrounds they see their use as nuclear power stations, and spiritual beings see them as portal passages or some form of field creation. I don't dispute any of those theories because we don't know!!!
What I do believe is that ALL religions are a farce, and that there are religious leaders today being paid handsomely to control huge portions of the global population and to exercise their interpretation of their religious rules to their collection of mystified servants to manipulate and exploit for their own agenda (or their masters agenda)
Do we need religion? Isn't "treating all living things with respect" enough?
heyyou:
--- Quote from: Aladin on August 14, 2013, 04:12:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on August 14, 2013, 01:43:26 AM ---There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
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@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
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I believe in God first of all & respect your right of believing in whatever you want so long as it's not forced upon others & doesn't cause loss, harm or injury (ie common law).
I know a few muslims and do listen to debates between muslims & non-muslims and try think critically with an open mind for both sides.
I bring up those points because they are valid criticisms & questions & when they are brought up they don't get satisfactory answers, or not answered at all.
On one hand it's claimed there's no compulsion in religion, yet on the other, it's kill apostates or polytheists etc.
Look at the countries where there's a muslim majority, and see how minority religions are treated there!
It's not a controversial statement among muslim scholars to say that Mohammed had sex with a 6 year old. Whether it was acceptable back in the day or there were other circumstances is another debate.
It's not my intention to offend anyone, but I have to call out things as i see it and also expect the same to be applied to myself.
Why does it have to take a third party/agent of God (an Iman, Priest, Pope, Rabbi etc like any agent gets a fee ;) ) to explain their interpretation? Who's to say their interpretation is correct? Just because they studied it for a long time?
Well Ben Bennanke studied the Great Depression & numerous mainstream economists are repeating the same mistake on the economy & making it worse!
I know about the New World Order/Anti-Christ agenda & believe in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean i have to accept all of the package of a religion.
Aladin:
--- Quote from: heyyou on August 14, 2013, 05:18:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: Aladin on August 14, 2013, 04:12:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on August 14, 2013, 01:43:26 AM ---There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
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@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
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I believe in God first of all & respect your right of believing in whatever you want so long as it's not forced upon others & doesn't cause loss, harm or injury (ie common law).
I know a few muslims and do listen to debates between muslims & non-muslims and try think critically with an open mind for both sides.
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My apoligies. I called you something which you are not.
Not that atheist are not good, I know a lot good atheist.
That said, you should not ask those questions 2 a lay men or on a Internet forum where we want soundbites.
In a few sentences an answer.
When you have a medical condition do you go 2 a qualified Dr. Or you just ask 4 advise through a forum or someone who just read a book on medicine?
I advised you 2 go to an knowledgable Imam. And begin a conversation with him about the subjects you just mentioned.
Don't worry he will answer you and if not.. Go 2 someone else.
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