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Any Fight Fans?
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on September 05, 2013, 08:02:03 AM ---
Yeah, some people say that it shows that Manny is a puppet, but I just view it as Manny not really caring that much, in the sense that he has a mentality of, "Put someone in front of me, and I'll fight them, it's not a big deal." I remember there being a video on YouTube a year or two ago where Manny is in the Philippines and he walks in on some of his buddies watching the end of a Martinez fight (though I can't remember who the opponent was), and Manny watched some of it, and was just saying, "I could beat him." And it wasn't in a joking manner either, as he was actually watching it. That's not to say I believe him or that it would be as easy as he made it sound, but Manny enjoys a good fight. But again, I just really don't see Pacquiao-Martinez as realistic, catchweights or not.
But I agree, Mayweather calls his own shots (which unfortunately has caused a bit of diva shit here and there), but because of that, he can't deflect the blame to anyone else on his side, like you said.
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Manny isn't very business savvy. I'd say that with confidence. Manny still thinks like a poor kid in the Philippines, in terms of just fighting to fight. He thinks of himself as a fighter and not a business. Floyd thinks of himself as a business, a brand. He and his people will protect it as much as they can.
--- Quote ---Yeah, Golden Boy knew better than to compete with Top Rank's fight. They would've had a chance if Ortiz didn't get his jaw broken earlier that year (since their plan was to make Canelo-Ortiz for that night). But frankly Cotto-Martinez would've been a solid boxing match, but Martinez doesn't have a huge following... plus Puerto Rico vs. Argentina doesn't carry the same intrigue as either one of them vs. Mexico.
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Could you imagine how badly Canelo would've hurt Ortiz? Haha. Wow. Canelo demolished poor Josesito in that fight. Cotto-Martinez might actually be a great match up now. Martinez is a step a head of Cotto, but like I said earlier, I haven't seen the same Martinez recently. They'd have to fight in AC, MSG or Brooklyn to capture the Puerto Rican audience.
--- Quote ---Arum has done damage but the guy knows how to put fights together. He just needs to think before he speaks sometimes. But without Arum, that would really just leave Golden Boy as the head honcho, which would cause too much of a monopoly since everyone else is just really small. All of these fighters with their corny little "promotional companies" that in reality really don't do even 10% of the work in their own fights don't have the know-how to run their businesses, let alone control their own personal finances. 50 Cent is trying to come up with his SMS Promotions, but I always felt he was more about promoting his headphones (also called SMS) and co-promoting events (like how he put Gamboa on the undercard of Pacquiao-Marquez IV). But 50 is business-minded enough to pull it off, but his stable is really, really small at the moment.
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It depends on who runs TR after Arum steps down. TR could benefit from a change at the top, so could all of Boxing. And, yeah, everyone has a "Promotional" company. Promotional Companies are like Imprint Record labels. Most of these guys do not actually promote a thing and do not have the funding to truly put on a card. 50 had a shot when he was doing it with Floyd, but that dissolved. 50 would need to land some huge star, but we know that that's not possible. It'll be a while until we see someone compete with TR and GBP.
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on September 05, 2013, 05:46:39 PM ---Manny isn't very business savvy. I'd say that with confidence. Manny still thinks like a poor kid in the Philippines, in terms of just fighting to fight. He thinks of himself as a fighter and not a business. Floyd thinks of himself as a business, a brand. He and his people will protect it as much as they can.
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But the problem with that line of thought (about Floyd thinking of himself as a business) is when prioritizing business and preserving your brand gets in the way of making a great fight, whether it's because he's scared of one guy and wants to pull out every excuse in the book to pass (and I'm not just talking about Manny either) or if he just wants to take low-risk fights for the sake of an extremely high probability of winning, even if the fight isn't all that interesting (i.e. Ortiz, Guerrero). I can respect his hustle since the guy is getting insane paydays, but some of those match-ups are just insulting to boxing fans.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on September 05, 2013, 05:46:39 PM ---Could you imagine how badly Canelo would've hurt Ortiz? Haha. Wow. Canelo demolished poor Josesito in that fight. Cotto-Martinez might actually be a great match up now. Martinez is a step a head of Cotto, but like I said earlier, I haven't seen the same Martinez recently. They'd have to fight in AC, MSG or Brooklyn to capture the Puerto Rican audience.
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Unfortunately, we won't see Cotto-Martinez until late 2014 at the earliest, since Martinez is recovering, and Martinez-Chavez Jr. will likely be one of the biggest priorities of his team. But Cotto will need to bounce back, and I mean more than just beating Delvin Rodriguez in October. But I don't see that fight happening, as I bet after giving Chavez another shot and assuming he beats him again, I bet he'll want to go after Mayweather again to see if he'll take him at 154. If Cotto wins, I think he should try to get a rematch with Trout immediately after, then see where he can go from there. Trout would accept a rematch.
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on September 05, 2013, 06:53:09 PM ---
But the problem with that line of thought (about Floyd thinking of himself as a business) is when prioritizing business and preserving your brand gets in the way of making a great fight, whether it's because he's scared of one guy and wants to pull out every excuse in the book to pass (and I'm not just talking about Manny either) or if he just wants to take low-risk fights for the sake of an extremely high probability of winning, even if the fight isn't all that interesting (i.e. Ortiz, Guerrero). I can respect his hustle since the guy is getting insane paydays, but some of those match-ups are just insulting to boxing fans.
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Yeah, no doubt. From a Fighters stand point, what Floyd does is cherry pick. Ideally, you'd like EVERYONE to be like Manny. If that was the case, this conversation would be between more than just 2 of us, for sure.
--- Quote ---Unfortunately, we won't see Cotto-Martinez until late 2014 at the earliest, since Martinez is recovering, and Martinez-Chavez Jr. will likely be one of the biggest priorities of his team. But Cotto will need to bounce back, and I mean more than just beating Delvin Rodriguez in October. But I don't see that fight happening, as I bet after giving Chavez another shot and assuming he beats him again, I bet he'll want to go after Mayweather again to see if he'll take him at 154. If Cotto wins, I think he should try to get a rematch with Trout immediately after, then see where he can go from there. Trout would accept a rematch.
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Yeah, we could maybe see it in the summer. Martinez is really angling for the winner of Mayweather/Canelo. I just saw a quote from him a couple months ago about that. He said he'd fight Chavez Jr. but that his first priority is Mayweather/Canelo. Not sure how likely that fight would be though.
Cotto vs Trout would be good, but I follow Trout on Twitter and he's really trying to get a rematch with Canelo or fight Floyd next. Again, not sure how likely any of those match up would be, but that's what he's gunning for.
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