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Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
Aladin:
--- Quote from: Heinz on September 18, 2013, 01:20:41 AM ---
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
--- End quote ---
May G_d reward them the seventh heaven.
It is terrible that some people even deny their suffering.
But his opinion, although we may not agree with him, is still his opinion. And he has the right 2 express it.
Heinz:
Thank you Aladin.
He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.
Aladin:
--- Quote from: Heinz on September 18, 2013, 01:52:41 AM ---Thank you Aladin.
He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.
--- End quote ---
I would be dissapointed if you did :)
V2DHeart:
--- Quote from: Heinz on September 18, 2013, 01:20:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on September 16, 2013, 04:45:24 AM ---
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
--- End quote ---
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
--- End quote ---
Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.
The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.
So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.
You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;) So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
jeanmiche777:
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on September 18, 2013, 05:46:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Heinz on September 18, 2013, 01:20:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on September 16, 2013, 04:45:24 AM ---
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
--- End quote ---
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
--- End quote ---
Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.
The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.
So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.
You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;) So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
--- End quote ---
You beleive in something wrong, my friend. You say we can't prove the holocaust happened. Following your logic, we can't prove it didn't happen. Following your logic, we should simply beleive that since we can't prove that this event happened, we shouldn't beleive in the story at all.
When you start making an explanation based on suppositions, you are blind yourself. In a different way, but you are blind. What I hate about conspirationism is that you beleive nothing is real in this world and then create the most improbable story as being ''true'' just because you can't prove it exists. You become what you think everyone else is: a follower of illusions. You think you are enlightened but you are manipulated by your own thoughts in the worst possible way. You are not manipulated by events, but by your own mind.
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