Dre's Resignation from Death Row

[krzieg]

a million props for this thread.  I'm a fanatical historian when it comes to shit like this

Agreed.

[Lucifuge]

Suge is mad for reason. look where is Dre, and than look at Suge.

[V2DHeart]

Death Row unbeknown to them at the time, had a job to do. Jimmy (being a label executive) took Dre out of it since he was a very good 'yes' man, had 'executive' level talent, experience, and respected name.

Suge was a pawn

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Death Row unbeknown to them at the time, had a job to do.

Could you clarify that please?

[Okka]

Interesting documents but not much new information outside of official dates and some of the more interesting legal details.

The Dre-Suge-Death Row thing still seems a great mystery to me.  So many of the accounts of stories don't much add up.  Some say Dre left on his own accord, others say Suge forced him out, but evidence is all over the place. Some say Suge found out Dre was a homosexual and kicked him out because of that or Dre took people's beats and Suge was angry on that. We know Dre's baby mother, Mich'elle, ended up with Suge, sometime after that, but for whatever reasons, Suge has a serious distaste for Dre.  Even with him and Snoop sort of letting bygones be bygones, there still seems animosity between these two and you have to wonder what it stems from. If Suge got Dr. Dre kicked off the label and took full ownership of the company and the recordings, put out a diss record after diss record about him, showed up at video shoots for his new artists, supposedly was involved in the Vibe Awards thing, and Dre still barely mentions him, something must have went down for him to still hate this man after almost 17 years, especially when Dre helped him build that company.

I think Suge just noticed that Dre wasn't feelin' what was goin' on and he got mad that Dre wanted to leave, even OFTB commented on this and they said that Dre wanted to leave all that bullshit behind him and leave the label. I'm sure Snoop said this same shit too and some others. Do you hear Dre talkin' about Daz these days or any other people who have publicly dissed him in the past?

The Dre-Suge-Death Row thing still seems a great mystery to me.  So many of the accounts of stories don't much add up.  Some say Dre left on his own accord, others say Suge forced him out, but evidence is all over the place. Some say Suge found out Dre was a homosexual and kicked him out because of that or Dre took people's beats and Suge was angry on that.

Suge told Snoop to take credit from Soopafly for the "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" beat, so i really doubt that Suge would get mad at Dre for some shit like that.

[V2DHeart]

Dre was "enlightened" as to what was going down in Hip Hop. Suge however was kept in the dark, but used as the perfect pawn, which is why he was the one left to go to jail and face the consequences. For the role of "glorifying violence", keeping 2Pac on-side, and dissing friends such as puffy, he is kept well after all these years even after bankruptcy. How do you think he is still able to go to the top clubs, and sport all the best of clothing, riding around in fancy cars puffing on cuban cigars? Lol, who do you think is paying for all of that??

There is definitely some tension though but it derives from Suge's anger of Dre getting the hand reached out to him first. Just look at where the 2 are at right now today. One is left running around with pocket change given to him, and the other is sitting on corporate board room level emerged in the consumerism deception. He has already done the corporate snakes and ladders BS. You do not get to Dre's level by being just a talented producer.

Suge's problem was he failed to see that he was being used to glorify rap violence, and Dre knows this today and knew it from the moment Jimmy handpicked him to step up the corporate olive branch. Suge knew that Dre knew. Why do you think Dre walked out with "nothing" and still kept his?! Suge actually believed he was doing good and really thought he was successfully going against corporate America, helping out the streets etc.

Imagine how it feels to know that you were being used the entire time from the moment "go", and then finding out a guy you were partnered with gets a step up to the very level of people who were using you the entire time. It can't be easy. Seeing them ripping off the public (beats headphones) and "being" corporate America, must be really difficult. I don't blame Suge for being mad

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Dre was "enlightened" as to what was going down in Hip Hop. Suge however was kept in the dark, but used as the perfect pawn, which is why he was the one left to go to jail and face the consequences. For the role of "glorifying violence", keeping 2Pac on-side, and dissing friends such as puffy, he is kept well after all these years even after bankruptcy. How do you think he is still able to go to the top clubs, and sport all the best of clothing, riding around in fancy cars puffing on cuban cigars? Lol, who do you think is paying for all of that??

There is definitely some tension though but it derives from Suge's anger of Dre getting the hand reached out to him first. Just look at where the 2 are at right now today. One is left running around with pocket change given to him, and the other is sitting on corporate board room level emerged in the consumerism deception. He has already done the corporate snakes and ladders BS. You do not get to Dre's level by being just a talented producer.

Suge's problem was he failed to see that he was being used to glorify rap violence, and Dre knows this today and knew it from the moment Jimmy handpicked him to step up the corporate olive branch. Suge knew that Dre knew. Why do you think Dre walked out with "nothing" and still kept his?! Suge actually believed he was doing good and really thought he was successfully going against corporate America, helping out the streets etc.

Imagine how it feels to know that you were being used the entire time from the moment "go", and then finding out a guy you were partnered with gets a step up to the very level of people who were using you the entire time. It can't be easy. Seeing them ripping off the public (beats headphones) and "being" corporate America, must be really difficult. I don't blame Suge for being mad

Interesting perspective, why do you think "they" were interested in glorifying violence?

[V2DHeart]

Mergers and acquisitions - This is one reason. The glorification of violence not only made money from music, but it also generated huge scores of wealth in other industry's they had owned or had a stake in (see again: mergers and acquisitions) these include influences in the ATF (firearms, liquor, tobacco) law firms - rock and rap increased violence, which in turned required bigger soars of legal representation in California - And of course in New York once these corporate string pullers generated an East V West through a media THEY ran. They also had huge investments in prisons. If they could make music promote violence they were essentially making huge sums of money.

Wasco state prison in California was opened in 1991, the Calipatria prison in 92, both the Centinela & LA county prisons in 1993, even womens prisons were opened up in 1991. Not to mention the several prisons created and built in the late 80's in preparation of this.

Mainstream rap in the early 90's was to glorify black on black crime in the state of California, then eventually the state of New York. If you look at legislation of liquor and firearms, you'll notice they were more relaxed then too, and made more relaxed. I heard that they shut this agenda down once it became apparent that more white upper class children were listening to rap than were black children in poorer areas. I don't believe this however, and believe that by then it had done its job.

Anyone ever question how Death Row were able to be mainstream with a real life-heavy bodyguard as it's front man? How a charismatic 2Pac got so much exposure? Like said - He was a fluke and despite attempts to make his passion work against him to shape the public view of him as a violent young thug, he was able to use his large audience given to him, to use his music as a platform for "critical thinking" and THEY don't want that. It's fine to rap about killing cops, it's fine to be rapping about drugs, theft and violence, being an Outlaw and feeling trapped, but as soon you as you start rapping the "REAL truth" then it's goodbye. They can blackball anyone at any given time when they don't play ball. They own all aspects of media, entertainment, corporate strategy and corporate finance.

Some of these lyrics in 2Pac's last album will show that he knew:


Never realize the precious time the bitch niggas is wasting
Institutionalized I lived my life a product made to crumble

He is a living product, living to promote violence. Talking about penitentiaries being packed.

on a one way trip to prison, selling drugs
We all wrapped up in this living, life as Thugs
To my homeboys in Clinton Max, doing they bid
Raise hell to this real shit, and feel this

And again:

These felonies be like prophecies, Begging me to stop
Cause These lawyers getting money, Everytime they knock us
Slashing pockets lyrically, Suckers fleed when they notice
Switched my name to Makaveli, and have the rap game closed

[⠀]

Mergers and acquisitions - This is one reason. The glorification of violence not only made money from music, but it also generated huge scores of wealth in other industry's they had owned or had a stake in (see again: mergers and acquisitions) these include influences in the ATF (firearms, liquor, tobacco) law firms - rock and rap increased violence, which in turned required bigger soars of legal representation in California - And of course in New York once these corporate string pullers generated an East V West through a media THEY ran. They also had huge investments in prisons. If they could make music promote violence they were essentially making huge sums of money.

Wasco state prison in California was opened in 1991, the Calipatria prison in 92, both the Centinela & LA county prisons in 1993, even womens prisons were opened up in 1991. Not to mention the several prisons created and built in the late 80's in preparation of this.

Mainstream rap in the early 90's was to glorify black on black crime in the state of California, then eventually the state of New York. If you look at legislation of liquor and firearms, you'll notice they were more relaxed then too, and made more relaxed. I heard that they shut this agenda down once it became apparent that more white upper class children were listening to rap than were black children in poorer areas. I don't believe this however, and believe that by then it had done its job.

Anyone ever question how Death Row were able to be mainstream with a real life-heavy bodyguard as it's front man? How a charismatic 2Pac got so much exposure? Like said - He was a fluke and despite attempts to make his passion work against him to shape the public view of him as a violent young thug, he was able to use his large audience given to him, to use his music as a platform for "critical thinking" and THEY don't want that. It's fine to rap about killing cops, it's fine to be rapping about drugs, theft and violence, being an Outlaw and feeling trapped, but as soon you as you start rapping the "REAL truth" then it's goodbye. They can blackball anyone at any given time when they don't play ball. They own all aspects of media, entertainment, corporate strategy and corporate finance.

Some of these lyrics in 2Pac's last album will show that he knew:


Never realize the precious time the bitch niggas is wasting
Institutionalized I lived my life a product made to crumble

He is a living product, living to promote violence. Talking about penitentiaries being packed.

on a one way trip to prison, selling drugs
We all wrapped up in this living, life as Thugs
To my homeboys in Clinton Max, doing they bid
Raise hell to this real shit, and feel this

And again:

These felonies be like prophecies, Begging me to stop
Cause These lawyers getting money, Everytime they knock us
Slashing pockets lyrically, Suckers fleed when they notice
Switched my name to Makaveli, and have the rap game closed

Thats a very insightful, if conspiratorial, post. Thanks for typing something worth reading, a rarity around these parts.

Makes you wonder though, as the things you mention are plain as day once you consider them as facts. Especially the unlikely rags to riches to subsidized rags tale of one Sugar Bear...