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How the Patriots win games
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: Infinite on October 17, 2013, 12:00:30 AM ---I've been trying to figure out for years why the Patriots are good or why Bellichek is a good coach and I still can't figure out what sets them a part. I even tried to read some insider book on the Patriots thinking I would figure something out, and all it was was bellichek bitching and complaining. But any coach can say, "Try harder, do better, you guys stink, only 10 first downs, you got to do better in the red zone, we got to be more efficient on 3rd down"... that's all I got from the book.
Maybe this is a plausible explaination put forth on this thread. Maybe they are good because they cheat. Certainly possible, they've been busted for cheating before
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Franchise QB is the most important in sports, now even more so with so many rules leaning towards the offense, and they've got that. Of course, most years they've put good play-makers/O-linemen around him, but the guy's been doing it a while.
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The problem with that statement, is that most people don't understand that 90% of Franchise QBs are extensions of their offensive co-ordinators. But the OC/playcaller isn't a marketable role and most OCs can't be sold to the public, so the media just gives all the credit to the QB. Tom Brady is one of those QBs. And nothing I actually see with my eyes ever tells me any different.
Hack Wilson - real:
the patriots go through offensive coordinators like toilet paper and tom brady is def a top 10 QB...probably 6 or 7 if you ask me.
with that said before the patriots changed their system in '07 when they got Moss and Welker, the Patriots were a low risk team that ran the ball a lot. They won 3 titles that way. Then Brady tried to turn into Peyton Manning and hasn't won a ring since but had 2 MVP seasons, one pretty historic. The irony there is delicious 8)
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Mr. Bones on October 17, 2013, 07:22:58 PM ---the patriots go through offensive coordinators like toilet paper and tom brady is def a top 10 QB...probably 6 or 7 if you ask me.
with that said before the patriots changed their system in '07 when they got Moss and Welker, the Patriots were a low risk team that ran the ball a lot. They won 3 titles that way. Then Brady tried to turn into Peyton Manning and hasn't won a ring since but had 2 MVP seasons, one pretty historic. The irony there is delicious 8)
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That's incorrect. Tom Brady has only had 3 OCs and each successor was the understudy before taking over. Also, each of the three have experienced great offensive success with much lesser QBs after leaving Brady. Wies made studs out of Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen in college, and brought a broken Matt Cassel back to the probowl. McDaniels took Cassel to the probowl, and for a while almost made Kyle Orton look like a probowler, and Kyle Orton is a complete scrub of a QB. And Bill O'Brien is just getting started at Penn St, already getting offers to return to the NFL as HC by the end of last season.
We've seen the NE Offensive system succeed without Brady. I want to see Brady succeed outside of the system. I don't think he can.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2013, 08:16:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Bones on October 17, 2013, 07:22:58 PM ---the patriots go through offensive coordinators like toilet paper and tom brady is def a top 10 QB...probably 6 or 7 if you ask me.
with that said before the patriots changed their system in '07 when they got Moss and Welker, the Patriots were a low risk team that ran the ball a lot. They won 3 titles that way. Then Brady tried to turn into Peyton Manning and hasn't won a ring since but had 2 MVP seasons, one pretty historic. The irony there is delicious 8)
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That's incorrect. Tom Brady has only had 3 OCs and each successor was the understudy before taking over. Also, each of the three have experienced great offensive success with much lesser QBs after leaving Brady. Wies made studs out of Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen in college, and brought a broken Matt Cassel back to the probowl. McDaniels took Cassel to the probowl, and for a while almost made Kyle Orton look like a probowler, and Kyle Orton is a complete scrub of a QB. And Bill O'Brien is just getting started at Penn St, already getting offers to return to the NFL as HC by the end of last season.
We've seen the NE Offensive system succeed without Brady. I want to see Brady succeed outside of the system. I don't think he can.
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The problem and hypocrisy with statements like that is we won't ever see if theyre true or not, so you can sit safely and say things without ever having to be called on them. I know you think Brady is overrated and that's fine, but the problem is you think and can argue he's overrated because of something you'll never be able to be proven wrong on and you know that ;)
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on October 21, 2013, 03:41:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 17, 2013, 08:16:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Bones on October 17, 2013, 07:22:58 PM ---the patriots go through offensive coordinators like toilet paper and tom brady is def a top 10 QB...probably 6 or 7 if you ask me.
with that said before the patriots changed their system in '07 when they got Moss and Welker, the Patriots were a low risk team that ran the ball a lot. They won 3 titles that way. Then Brady tried to turn into Peyton Manning and hasn't won a ring since but had 2 MVP seasons, one pretty historic. The irony there is delicious 8)
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That's incorrect. Tom Brady has only had 3 OCs and each successor was the understudy before taking over. Also, each of the three have experienced great offensive success with much lesser QBs after leaving Brady. Wies made studs out of Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen in college, and brought a broken Matt Cassel back to the probowl. McDaniels took Cassel to the probowl, and for a while almost made Kyle Orton look like a probowler, and Kyle Orton is a complete scrub of a QB. And Bill O'Brien is just getting started at Penn St, already getting offers to return to the NFL as HC by the end of last season.
We've seen the NE Offensive system succeed without Brady. I want to see Brady succeed outside of the system. I don't think he can.
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The problem and hypocrisy with statements like that is we won't ever see if theyre true or not, so you can sit safely and say things without ever having to be called on them. I know you think Brady is overrated and that's fine, but the problem is you think and can argue he's overrated because of something you'll never be able to be proven wrong on and you know that ;)
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Bullshit! I predicted 10-6 to 12-4 the day Brady got injured in 08. I predicted Cassel to be exposed his first year in KC, and to be a stud his second year. I predicted Kyle Orton to put up very solid numbers his first year in Denver. These weren't hypotheticals, and certainly not hypocrisies. They were before the fact predictions that all came through. And they were all based on my understanding of he Erhardt-Perkins offensive system, mastered in the modern times by Charlie Wies, and taught to McDaniels and O'Brien. And if you doubt any of what I say, go look through my post history.
And going back to college, you can see Brady Quinn, and Clausen look like studs with it.
So I go back 10 years and say Tom Brady is an overrated QB that's propped up by a great system, and since then we get to see 4 QBs who look like shit before and after that system, look like pro-bowlers with in that system, and I'm crazy for thinking Brady would fall apart with out it?
On record, I will say that Tom Brady is better than all those guys and wouldn't just end up a back up in a few weeks, but after a couple failed years in a place like Oakland or Buffalo, Tom Brady would be out of a job looking for another, just like Drew Bledsoe, who won 2 AFC Titles with that system, ended up.
And I never could have predicted the Colts cutting Peyton, so who knows what the future holds for Brady. We may get to see my theory shown true or false.
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