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Fraxxx:
I just read something on Reddit and was assuming that the participants in the discussion would be rather critical of GM food (it's Reddit, after all). I read quite a bit and virtually every single comment was in favor of GM food.

I found it very strange that seemingly nobody had any knowledge about how the whole thing at least MIGHT give reason for concern.

So since DubCC obviously is a far superior community in terms of knowledge and critical thinking, I'm interested in some opinions on that matter.

Aladin:
Oke here  is my point of view

I will not deal with the spirtual side of it.

I will only deal with facts.

First we have 2 establish what is GMO.
In short they alter the DNA of seeds.

How do they do that?

Well if the string of the DNA is ABC

And they want 2 add a certain aspect in it with is not present in the natural form: we call that one D.

So what they do.

You got ABC

And they try 2 modify it by putting a D in between:
ABDC


What they discovered. That when they do that. The String (ABDC) would not last. It would break and form ABC again.

The scientific solution for that is this:
They use antibiotics  as a glue. That way  the String will not break.

That is right people, you have been fed antibiotics every time you eat GMO food.
And we are asking ourself why is it that antibiotics don't have the same effect anymore.


That is one aspect.

The second.
If you Fraxx are a farmer. And you decide 2 plant wheat. No one is stopping you.
No-one has the patent on wheat or apples or oranges.
Right. that would be ridiculous.

Wrong: the seeds that they modify are patented. Meaning you need a license 2 grow them.
And if you by accident mix their seed with your seed. You need 2 pay up or burn your seeds.
Look at this poor American farmer. Do you really think he can win from the big cooperations.


There was another case of a farmer I can not find it. But that farmer did not buy GMO. But the farmers around him had GMO. And ofcourse in an natural way (wind) some seeds of wheat mixed with his seeds.
He had 2 burn his entire natural seeds. Which he used for generations.


I can go into the fact that they can put an enddate in seeds. Like after three harvests it will no longer grow.
So that you become dependent.
Yes that is right.
We throw away our natural seeds who for thousands of years has fed us. 2 become dependent on these patented GMO.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/07/food-ark/food-variety-graphic

And there is a health issue.. but I don't expand on that. I let others have that oppertunity.

Fraxxx:

--- Quote from: Aladin on October 31, 2013, 02:35:44 AM ---
The second.
If you Fraxx are a farmer. And you decide 2 plant wheat. No one is stopping you.
No-one has the patent on wheat or apples or oranges.
Right. that would be ridiculous.

Wrong: the seeds that they modify are patented. Meaning you need a license 2 grow them.
And if you by accident mix their seed with your seed. You need 2 pay up or burn your seeds.
Look at this poor American farmer. Do you really think he can win from the big cooperations.


There was another case of a farmer I can not find it. But that farmer did not buy GMO. But the farmers around him had GMO. And ofcourse in an natural way (wind) some seeds of wheat mixed with his seeds.
He had 2 burn his entire natural seeds. Which he used for generations.


I can go into the fact that they can put an enddate in seeds. Like after three harvests it will no longer grow.
So that you become dependent.
Yes that is right.
We throw away our natural seeds who for thousands of years has fed us. 2 become dependent on these patented GMO.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/07/food-ark/food-variety-graphic


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Exactly my thoughts. You can sum it up as: Even if it's not some kind of evil plan for domination but "only" maximization of profits, in the end those corporations like Monsanto will have the whole world on a stranglehold because they legally own what everyone sows and can dictate the terms on which you're allowed to do that. You can already see this in India, South America and even the US like you said.

Gonna write something more on that later.

Aladin:

--- Quote from: Fraxxx on October 31, 2013, 09:00:28 AM ---
Exactly my thoughts. You can sum it up as: Even if it's not some kind of evil plan for domination but "only" maximization of profits, in the end those corporations like Monsanto will have the whole world on a stranglehold because they legally own what everyone sows and can dictate the terms on which you're allowed to do that. You can already see this in India, South America and even the US like you said.

Gonna write something more on that later.

--- End quote ---

Well that is exactly the point. Their goal is to get as much profit as they can, but they dress it up like they want 2 end the starvation.
Look they are not interested in your health or worried about your choice. They are only interested what is in your wallet.

If history is a lesson. Remember that there was a time that the Tobacco industry denied there were any healthrisks for smoking.
Even though all the doctors new that lungs turned black as coal.
They kept their mouth shut because of all the medical research that 'proofed' that is was not a risk. (Financed by the same Tobacco Industry)

Like now logic and reason will tell you that all that Wifi, GPS  and mobile antennes radiation around you 24/7  is not healthy.

Decades later they will look at us like we look at the people who believed in the 50's that smoking is not a health Risk, as stupid. How could they believe that?

Fraxxx:
Off topic but one of my favourite recent moves was when they convinced China that it would be a great idea to serve Chinese students school milk for better nutritional supply - to a people that mostly can't properly digest milk.

They are literally paying for diarrhea! :D

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