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Canelo vs. Angulo
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: A.Geesta'z on January 23, 2014, 07:36:00 AM ---dude same here... i hated Vargas and now i hate Ortiz, but Vargas was more of a mexican fighter then Ortiz ever will be, Ortiz has no heart and was a big let down, he was suppose to be the next Oscar De La Hoya and failed in the process, i hope Callazo beats his ass like Lopez did
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I always felt Vargas was a fraud. He really got to his position using his mouth. He never really beat anyone of importance outside of Quartey and Winky. He used being a Mexican pretty boy like Oscar to his advantage. I always hated him.
Ortiz was the first fighter Oscar saw as his successor. Which, I guess I always dislike. When a fighter is forced on us as some sort of star. He made his name beating bums and then quit and whined after getting clobbered by Maidana. Fast forward to 2:45.
http://www.youtube.com/v/eGWYK4TvxaA
That was when the respect was thrown out the door. His fight vs. Berto was awesome, but he had no business jumping into the Ring with Floyd after that. Which makes me laugh that Floyd and his fans will clown Manny for fighting a guy like Clottey or Rios. I'm hoping he loses, too, but Collazo just looks good on Paper. He's lost every "big" fight he's been in.
O.G A.Geesta'z:
so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: A.Geesta'z on January 23, 2014, 02:39:01 PM ---so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break
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You're right. Josesito was supposed to be a walk through for Ortiz and be broke his jaw. I don't see Ortiz over looking this fight. If he loses here, he's done. He'll be trying to break his contract like Guerrero is right now, because Golden Boy won't want to give him any worthwhile fights.
O.G A.Geesta'z:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on January 23, 2014, 09:58:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: A.Geesta'z on January 23, 2014, 02:39:01 PM ---so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break
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You're right. Josesito was supposed to be a walk through for Ortiz and be broke his jaw. I don't see Ortiz over looking this fight. If he loses here, he's done. He'll be trying to break his contract like Guerrero is right now, because Golden Boy won't want to give him any worthwhile fights.
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A kid i once trained with named Jerry Belmonte's aka The Corpus Christi Kid was suppose to be Golden boys next big draw too, he sold well here in south texas then he went on a losing streak and he secretly cant wait until he's out his contract with Golden Boy, he told me they are setting him up for failure after his first loss...
but he cant draw a fuckin dime outside of texas anyways... but growing up you knew when you saw him at the gym he had something special, he could box and was hard to hit, i remember i was 13 in the boxing gym sparring against my best friends while Jerry was my age sparring against 17 year olds
Golden boy is a bit corrupt, Oscar can turn into the new Don King any time he wants...
I heard Dana white wants in on some boxing promotions, hopefully he can get the fights HBO vs Showtime cant or get what Arum vs Golden Boy cant...
the promotion is what is killing the sport and it has been for years
whoisthis:
^Loses'll kill you in Boxing. Your boy sounds just like Abner Mares. Abner was essentially on his way to being the next big thing. Real big pay days. Headlining shows at Staples (even though they were barely selling tickets). Getting HUGE paydays. Dude is driving a Panamera. And then,l he got KO'd this summer. His payday for this fight dropped significantly. The promotion for the fight dropped significantly. The love from Golden Boy is not there like it used to be. If he loses again, that's that. Though, he'd be better off out of Golden Boy since a lot of the talent in his weight fight for other promotions. I think that Kid you knew is the story of so many in Boxing. To even get to be a Pro, you have to be the absolute best in the Amateurs. You have to be the absolute best from your Gym. Your City. You have to be head and shoulders above the rest. And then you get to the Pro's and everyone else is like you. Now, to be successful, you have to be even better than them and it just doesn't work out.
I grew up with John Molina. Dude was on his way, too. Fighting on ESPN FNF, HBO and Showtime. Names like Broner came up as possible opponents. He walked into the right with Antonio Demarco in what was supposed to be a walk through and got KO'd. Demarco fought Broner 2 months later. Molina was about to be done for good when he was fighting Mickey Bey and was losing for the 3rd time in 4 fights. But, out of nowhere, he KO'd Bey in the last round.That round saved his career. Fast forward to the 1:35 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/v/LeiMLMg0tAs
All Promoters are crooks in Boxing. But, when Arum retires (or dies, which ever comes first), Boxing will see the Flood gates open. Whoever runs TR next would be willing to work with GBP and vice versa. Where the problem lies right now is the networks. HBO acts as another promoter on top of TR and they dictate the fights they want. Showtime takes what they can get and they have 2 of the best Weight classes in Boxing all to themselves, save for Manny. I see Arum as the domino that will spark the change.
Boxing Promoters are probably all afraid to see what Dana White will do with Boxing. He's behind a reality show about Boston's Boxing scene right now. The UFC model works for Fans AND the UFC as a company. It doesn't work for the Fighters. Your highest paid MMA guys are making nothing compared to Boxings top guys. Broner made 1.5 against Paulie. He would've been top paid in the UFC all year, on that one fight. Veteran fighters would reject it. Has to start with the next generation.
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