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Canelo vs. Angulo
DeeezNuuuts83:
Yeah... three straight early endings (and not even losses by decision) means it's time to hang up his gloves and just enjoy the cash he made, unless he invested poorly... then he'll be at the temp agency.
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: A.Geesta'z on January 31, 2014, 11:49:59 AM ---
well that was short.. didnt see that coming... have fun being a janitor Victor Ortiz
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You called it dude. Wow.
@Deez
A monopoly in Boxing wouldn't be a bad thing, per se. Think about MMA. When the UFC bought out and brought over Pride, WEC and Strikeforce, they were able to make fights that people wanted to see. From a fans perspective, it's great. This is what I like about the GBP/Showtime relationship. I wouldn't mind if all of Boxing was like this.
Arum has done great things, I'm not taking away anything from him. But, it's time to move on. You cannot hold on to past achievements forever. And that's what we're doing with Arum. I still contend that he's lacking the fire power for leverage. He has 2 of the best fighters in the world in Ward and Rigo and either fighters are avoiding them or the network is avoiding them (or both). He has Bradley that most people don't want to fight. Marquez who's too busy crying after every single loss. Rios, Alvarado and Prodvodnikov are essentially he's biggest draws. He has no real say over what Cotto can and can't do and quite frankly wouldn't shoot himself in the foot and send over another big name to Golden Boy. That's why he's open to working with 50. DiBella. etc. Because they A, have fighters he needs to put on good fights with own fighters and B, they're name's are not big enough to take up half the banner.
Beyond Floyd and Manny, they struggled to put together Mares/Donaire. At the time, Donaire was the man and Mares was the up and comer. Top Rank used that leverage. So, now, the shoe is on the other foot and Golden Boy is doing the same. They all have blame in this, but that's why I really put it on Arum. All of his tactics that he's pulled on others are being shoved back in his face and it's hurting boxing. I feel Floyd has been a huge problem in making the fight with Manny, but that's why I don't like the idea of Boxers essentially calling their own shots. Even when the Alaphabets try to force a fighter into a fight, they'll just drop the belt, move weight classes or flat out decline.
As for HBO, they've always been in the drivers seat. There's been pockets where Showtime would sneak in and have a good year or 2, but when you thought Boxing, you always thought HBO. When you thought of big fights, you thought of HBO. Until of course Showtime got Floyd.
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on January 31, 2014, 03:20:25 PM ---A monopoly in Boxing wouldn't be a bad thing, per se. Think about MMA. When the UFC bought out and brought over Pride, WEC and Strikeforce, they were able to make fights that people wanted to see. From a fans perspective, it's great. This is what I like about the GBP/Showtime relationship. I wouldn't mind if all of Boxing was like this.
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I agree, and MMA is a great example, but what Golden Boy is trying to do is a little different. They don't want to merge or unite under a single banner, they straight up want to kill off Top Rank and pick up the pieces (in this case, the fighters) because they hate Arum while basically dissing their fighters in the process. And whether they merge, overtake, etc., that still doesn't guarantee fights happening. Floyd always talks about being his own boss, and in a lot of ways he is, but again the diva shit gets in the way. Like Bradley said in a recent interview when asked about why he agreed to a contract extension when it would prevent him from taking some fights (i.e. Floyd), he said that it's not like NOT re-signing with Top Rank would have guaranteed him a shot. And it's not like Golden Boy would force Floyd to fight anyone anyway, versus MMA having mandatory matches that they make happen.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on January 31, 2014, 03:20:25 PM ---Arum has done great things, I'm not taking away anything from him. But, it's time to move on. You cannot hold on to past achievements forever. And that's what we're doing with Arum. I still contend that he's lacking the fire power for leverage. He has 2 of the best fighters in the world in Ward and Rigo and either fighters are avoiding them or the network is avoiding them (or both). He has Bradley that most people don't want to fight. Marquez who's too busy crying after every single loss. Rios, Alvarado and Prodvodnikov are essentially he's biggest draws. He has no real say over what Cotto can and can't do and quite frankly wouldn't shoot himself in the foot and send over another big name to Golden Boy. That's why he's open to working with 50. DiBella. etc. Because they A, have fighters he needs to put on good fights with own fighters and B, they're name's are not big enough to take up half the banner.
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Arum has definitely lost some ground, but he still has firepower. He has the second-biggest draw in all of boxing. And legally speaking, Golden Boy doesn't even have the first, since Floyd is not officially signed to Golden Boy (even though he works with them exclusively). But outside of Floyd, who does Golden Boy have who is actually a big draw (when not fighting Floyd)? They have a lot more of a supporting cast, and it helps them build more solid undercards that help fuel PPV buys, but it's not like they have an arsenal of fighters who rack up buys as good as Manny. Cotto-Margarito II and Marquez-Bradley were both pretty successful for what they were, and it's not like Golden Boy's best non-Floyd matches were any better in terms of PPV success.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on January 31, 2014, 03:20:25 PM ---Beyond Floyd and Manny, they struggled to put together Mares/Donaire. At the time, Donaire was the man and Mares was the up and comer. Top Rank used that leverage. So, now, the shoe is on the other foot and Golden Boy is doing the same. They all have blame in this, but that's why I really put it on Arum. All of his tactics that he's pulled on others are being shoved back in his face and it's hurting boxing. I feel Floyd has been a huge problem in making the fight with Manny, but that's why I don't like the idea of Boxers essentially calling their own shots. Even when the Alaphabets try to force a fighter into a fight, they'll just drop the belt, move weight classes or flat out decline.
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I agree. And the Floyd thing you mentioned is something I also addressed. Just as the sanctioning bodies can't exactly "force" a fight (since the belt can always be vacated, if the fighter doesn't feel like fighting the mandatory challenger), again, a single boxing promotion banner would not force any fights either... not to say that it wouldn't make it easier, but again, there's still no guarantee. Floyd could still say no, or make his conditions even more absurd than before.
O.G A.Geesta'z:
what a shame HBO didnt broadcast GGG's excellent fight today...
i say Golvkin vs Martinez soon... thats of course if Cotto isnt in the way,
i think there is gonna be a good tournament going on in friday night fights, between lightweights and middleweights...
but i hate how Barthemy got his title tooken away because supposedly he hit after the bell but really its the ref's fault, but the sounds Teddy's weird ass were making during that knockout were funny, but for once i agree with Teddy and think Barthemy shouldnt have been stripped, but a rematch will atleast be anticipated now
Friday Night Fights on ESPN is becoming fun again just because Tyson is promoting now, and last year i even saw Vince Vaughn promoting a fight, i never thought one of my favorite actors would even promote lol this could be 50 Cents gateway into boxing if FNF can keep putting good matches for the rest of the year
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 31, 2014, 05:50:06 PM ---I agree, and MMA is a great example, but what Golden Boy is trying to do is a little different. They don't want to merge or unite under a single banner, they straight up want to kill off Top Rank and pick up the pieces (in this case, the fighters) because they hate Arum while basically dissing their fighters in the process. And whether they merge, overtake, etc., that still doesn't guarantee fights happening. Floyd always talks about being his own boss, and in a lot of ways he is, but again the diva shit gets in the way. Like Bradley said in a recent interview when asked about why he agreed to a contract extension when it would prevent him from taking some fights (i.e. Floyd), he said that it's not like NOT re-signing with Top Rank would have guaranteed him a shot. And it's not like Golden Boy would force Floyd to fight anyone anyway, versus MMA having mandatory matches that they make happen.
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Yeah, I agree. Golden Boy is trying to cut off the head of Top Rank, but I really think a lot of that is a function of who's running Top Rank. I honestly feel that if there was a younger person running Top Rank, it'd be easier for all sides to work together. All fighters to an extent are their own boss, especially when they're as big as Floyd. As far as Bradley goes, he realizes that he's too good defensively to get a shot at Floyd. Floyd and his people only take fights against young inexperienced fighters or fighters with absolutely no power/no defense. Bradley has the Defense and sticks to his game plan, something that Floyd hates. THAT, to me, is why Bradley has no issue sticking with TR. The whole idea of running Boxing like MMA wouldn't work with these fighters. It'd have to be put in place and ran with young fighters. But, what you'll see is more "stars" and belts will mean something.
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 31, 2014, 05:50:06 PM ---Arum has definitely lost some ground, but he still has firepower. He has the second-biggest draw in all of boxing. And legally speaking, Golden Boy doesn't even have the first, since Floyd is not officially signed to Golden Boy (even though he works with them exclusively). But outside of Floyd, who does Golden Boy have who is actually a big draw (when not fighting Floyd)? They have a lot more of a supporting cast, and it helps them build more solid undercards that help fuel PPV buys, but it's not like they have an arsenal of fighters who rack up buys as good as Manny. Cotto-Margarito II and Marquez-Bradley were both pretty successful for what they were, and it's not like Golden Boy's best non-Floyd matches were any better in terms of PPV success.
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Broner is actually a big draw, surprisingly. He put up great numbers all year and that was on Showtime. Canelo obviously will still sell PPV's because he'll have the entire Mexican community behind him. They might not put up numbers like Manny, but lately his numbers haven't been great. Broner and Canelo are still really young. They have the opportunity of growing and becoming even bigger draws. Manny is still number 2, but he's not really improving numbers wise. By the way, did you see what Arum said about undercards? This is why this dude needs to go.
--- Quote from: A.Geesta'z on February 02, 2014, 03:54:45 AM ---what a shame HBO didnt broadcast GGG's excellent fight today...
i say Golvkin vs Martinez soon... thats of course if Cotto isnt in the way,
i think there is gonna be a good tournament going on in friday night fights, between lightweights and middleweights...
but i hate how Barthemy got his title tooken away because supposedly he hit after the bell but really its the ref's fault, but the sounds Teddy's weird ass were making during that knockout were funny, but for once i agree with Teddy and think Barthemy shouldnt have been stripped, but a rematch will atleast be anticipated now
Friday Night Fights on ESPN is becoming fun again just because Tyson is promoting now, and last year i even saw Vince Vaughn promoting a fight, i never thought one of my favorite actors would even promote lol this could be 50 Cents gateway into boxing if FNF can keep putting good matches for the rest of the year
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GGG is such a beast. HBO screwed up, big time. He picked the guy apart, as usual.
I heard about the tournament on FNF, I'll have to check that out.
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