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Pacquiao-Bradley II
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on April 09, 2014, 05:35:20 PM ---Bradley is a pillow puncher. He doesn't have enough power to hurt anyone, but he does have a strong enough chin. Manny needs to outbox Bradley, because I doubt Bradley gets into a slug fest with him like he did with Provodnikov. The winner eventually fights Marquez, because I don't see Alvarado beating Marquez. Bradley/Marquez really doesn't make sense because the first fight was not close. Pacquiao/Marquez 5 is overkill, but makes sense for Manny to avenge the loss.
Let's say Manny wins, fights Marquez in the fall and wins. He'll be 3-0 in his last 3 and Floyd will no longer be able to use his record against him. If they're able to work it out, Manny and Floyd could be in the same ring around this time next year. Floyd wouldn't fight Bradley. As a matter of fact, he just visited Bradley training camp to give him a pep talk.
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if bradley wins, there will be an overwhelming demand for a bradley-mayweather fight, guaranteed
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on April 09, 2014, 05:35:20 PM ---Bradley is a pillow puncher. He doesn't have enough power to hurt anyone, but he does have a strong enough chin. Manny needs to outbox Bradley, because I doubt Bradley gets into a slug fest with him like he did with Provodnikov. The winner eventually fights Marquez, because I don't see Alvarado beating Marquez. Bradley/Marquez really doesn't make sense because the first fight was not close. Pacquiao/Marquez 5 is overkill, but makes sense for Manny to avenge the loss.
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But still, I have the images in my head of Bradley getting knocked down by Provodnikov, who isn't exactly an elite fighter, in the first and last rounds. Hopefully Manny gets a good opportunity like that again, he really needs a win by stoppage to really get the fans excited again.
I agree that it's likely going to be Marquez... but Arum (and Pacquiao and Marquez) are banking on Pacquiao and Marquez both winning, because out of the possible four options, that is the most lucrative one. Yes, a fifth fight is overkill, but people will still watch it. No one in their right mind will agree that winning one out of four fights is a real ending to a saga, even if it was by knockout. I'd still feel the same way if it were the other way around, with Marquez up by two wins and Manny winning the last one by KO. HOWEVER, if Marquez had KO'd Manny while ALSO being the clear winner the whole time leading up to it (think Pacquiao-Hatton), then that might have been a different story. Similarly, if Provodnikov had managed to keep Bradley down in the twelfth round or if Chavez Jr. had managed to keep Martinez down in the twelfth round, then even if they won by KO, it was still a fight where the other guy was winning, and people would like to see that revisited.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on April 09, 2014, 05:35:20 PM ---Let's say Manny wins, fights Marquez in the fall and wins. He'll be 3-0 in his last 3 and Floyd will no longer be able to use his record against him. If they're able to work it out, Manny and Floyd could be in the same ring around this time next year. Floyd wouldn't fight Bradley. As a matter of fact, he just visited Bradley training camp to give him a pep talk.
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It will definitely help, but the whole "record" thing has never really played a role. Even when Manny was on his hot streak (15 or 16 wins straight since his last loss against Morales, prior to fighting Bradley), Floyd would always point out that Manny had already lost before. So being 3-0 in his last fights doesn't mean that Floyd won't have anything to say anymore.
I agree that the earliest it will be is around this time next year. Floyd insists that Bob Arum/Top Rank can't be involved, and Manny's contract expires at the end of 2014. Manny likely won't try to break his contract early (since it likely won't be worth the legal headaches, plus when he signed his contract extension, he was getting a low seven-figure bonus if he fought twice in 2014), especially when it's not as if that will guarantee him the fight anyway, with all of the new demands from Team Mayweather that seem to get made every round of negotiations. So I won't concern myself with that potential matchup for a while.
--- Quote from: NIKCC on April 09, 2014, 07:06:49 PM ---if bradley wins, there will be an overwhelming demand for a bradley-mayweather fight, guaranteed
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Of course, why not? But unfortunately for everyone involved, even if Bradley beats both Pacquiao AND Marquez again, Mayweather-Bradley just won't be as lucrative as Mayweather-Pacquiao would be (in a situation where Pacquiao would be the winner of his previous fights, obviously). But it would still be a big fight, one that people would definitely want to see.
But again, Bradley signed a contract extension with Top Rank, so he's with them I think through around June 2015 or something. When he did it, he was asked why, particularly about the fact that it reduces his chances to fight Floyd, and he stated that just because he wouldn't be with Top Rank doesn't mean that it would guarantee him a Mayweather fight anyway. And even without Mayweather, Bradley still has some interesting options with Top Rank... maybe not ones that would get him eight-figure paydays right off the bat, but ones that would be good boxing matches that boxing fans would appreciate. I think people would like to see Bradley-Provodnikov II. Or him against the winner of Rios-Alvarado III (which is for sure in the pipeline, and likely for late 2014 or early 2015). Or him against Cotto, likely at some catchweight between 147 and 154.
Sccit:
I think yall are underrating Bradley...his celebrity is guna grow enormously if he wins again, he'll be the second most revered boxer behind mayweather
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on April 10, 2014, 11:10:41 AM ---I think yall are underrating Bradley...his celebrity is guna grow enormously if he wins again, he'll be the second most revered boxer behind mayweather
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I'm not underrating him. I just said that Mayweather-Bradley (assuming it happened if Bradley won both fights this year) wouldn't generate the same numbers as Mayweather-Pacquiao would (again assuming it happened if Pacquiao won both fights this year). Bradley would have a lot of credit to his name at that point, likely having a 1+ million PPV event with Pacquiao and potentially two wins against both Pacquiao and Marquez... but the problem is that he's not really that exciting of a boxer to watch.
His style is good enough to keep him undefeated so far, but it's generally not that interesting. I posted a picture earlier of one thing that he really needs to improve on, since he doesn't lock his wrists (which takes away from his punching power) or his elbows (which makes him swing much wider than necessary and looks like the kind of wild punches that dudes throw when there's five people jumping one guy). Additionally, when he throws his hard right punches, they end up looking like a baseball pitcher throwing a ball or like he's swinging a tennis racket, as he doesn't seem to throw good, straight punches unless everything is perfect. And when he's in intense exchanges, he looks like a teenaged kid fighting another kid at school. But if he's up close and not pressured, he throws decent punches from inside.
But compared to some of the other elite boxers... Manny's offense is just punch after punch after punch, and it gets people to rise to their feet, especially since he's been able to knock people down. It's entertaining to watch. And even though Floyd isn't risky and doesn't finish people off, watching him fight may not be exciting, but his movements are so precise, and it's almost artistic to see him in action. Someone like Marquez is just a warrior, and while his defense is really good but not quite as good as Floyd's, he's more willing to engage. Cotto is just really skilled and with good speed and power.
Again, I'm not saying that Bradley is shit... his resume is excellent, especially in the past year or two. But he's just not all that great to watch. Not that one fight dictates your entire career, but it's sad how the biggest highlights of Bradley-Provodnikov are of rounds that he lost.
DeeezNuuuts83:
Good fight... much more action than their first. Glad that Bradley could man up and give credit... and that will definitely help with his popularity after this. Maybe another crack at Provodnikov after this.
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