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Quote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 05:32:24 AMClassic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics nowell, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no
Quote from: Sccit on November 26, 2014, 12:50:38 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 05:32:24 AMClassic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics nowell, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel. I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 02:41:56 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 26, 2014, 12:50:38 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 05:32:24 AMClassic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics nowell, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel. I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.mBut sometimes it transcends opinion and becomes stupidly .. In basketball terms, if someone claimed Kareem wasn't one of the greatests, they'd be an idiot. Some things are just universal truths, and certain albums are recognized as undeniable hip-hop classics. You're confusing personal taste with unbiased ranking.. I don't like country, but I'm not guna sit here and tell you that there are no country album classics just because it's not my preference. That's where it starts crossing into pretentious.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on November 25, 2014, 10:51:58 PMReally, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there
Really, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on November 25, 2014, 11:52:40 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on November 25, 2014, 10:51:58 PMReally, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there Lol you didn't even get the lyrics right. How are you gonna comment on his lyrics when you don't even understand them? Speaking of content though... most of Rakim's work with Eric B had next to no content on them. He's rapping about rapping. And these are his best albums.
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.
Quote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 04:24:35 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on November 25, 2014, 02:18:46 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 02:09:58 PMsslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made. But noyou need to stop sounding like u talk with your eyes closed, brodie...seriously, rank the albums or dont bother replyin 18th Letter > SSLP = MMLP
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on November 25, 2014, 02:18:46 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 02:09:58 PMsslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made. But noyou need to stop sounding like u talk with your eyes closed, brodie...seriously, rank the albums or dont bother replyin
Quote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 02:09:58 PMsslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made. But no
sslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on November 26, 2014, 08:34:51 AMDon't get me wrong, I personally have Rakim over Eminem as a rapper. We are not debating Rakim> Eminem. But to put down Eminem just reeks of trolling. Straight up, Eminem is on of the greatest, most complete rappers of all time. You being so dismissive of him really hurts your argument. I mean no content? Really? Not even White America, or Sing for the Moment, or Toy Soldier? None of the songs you listed are on SSLP or MMLP
Don't get me wrong, I personally have Rakim over Eminem as a rapper. We are not debating Rakim> Eminem. But to put down Eminem just reeks of trolling. Straight up, Eminem is on of the greatest, most complete rappers of all time. You being so dismissive of him really hurts your argument. I mean no content? Really? Not even White America, or Sing for the Moment, or Toy Soldier?
Quote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 01:44:56 PMrakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats. I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?
Quote from: Sccit on November 26, 2014, 02:53:59 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 02:41:56 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 26, 2014, 12:50:38 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on November 26, 2014, 05:32:24 AMClassic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics nowell, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel. I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.mBut sometimes it transcends opinion and becomes stupidly .. In basketball terms, if someone claimed Kareem wasn't one of the greatests, they'd be an idiot. Some things are just universal truths, and certain albums are recognized as undeniable hip-hop classics. You're confusing personal taste with unbiased ranking.. I don't like country, but I'm not guna sit here and tell you that there are no country album classics just because it's not my preference. That's where it starts crossing into pretentious. I didn't say there are no classic hiphop albums, that'd be dumb.EDIT: Also I never said Em wasn't one of the greatest MC's. Just not lyricists, or classic albums
Quote from: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 26, 2014, 04:53:47 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 01:44:56 PMrakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats. I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem? I would. But it's not like it's a wipe out. They are different.
Quote from: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 26, 2014, 04:53:47 PMQuote from: Sccit on November 25, 2014, 01:44:56 PMrakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats. I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem? i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.