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Cowboys SHOCKED the Seahawks
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 12, 2014, 10:43:30 PM ---Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
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He's better right now than 01 and 02 Brady for sure. 03 and 04 are where it's debatable. I'll concede he is not nearly the pocket passer that 03/04 Brady was, but 03/04 Brady was not an elite level pocket passer. I think his best year was 05. That's including 07, and last year. Russel has a way to go before I say he's better than or as good as 05 Brady, but Russell's ability to scramble and make a play make up for his lack of pocket ability; compared to 03/04 Brady.
(assuming you were even watching the NFL at the same level you watch it now, back in 03/04)
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on October 12, 2014, 10:45:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 12, 2014, 10:43:30 PM ---Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
--- End quote ---
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
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Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on October 13, 2014, 03:25:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on October 12, 2014, 10:45:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 12, 2014, 10:43:30 PM ---Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
--- End quote ---
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
--- End quote ---
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
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If the only argument was whether Wilson is a very good QB then you won't hear many people saying See I told you so. He is very good and would be a welcome starter and playmaker to most teams in the NFL. He's simply not top 10, and definitely not top 5. But the way the media treated him after the win with the BS "Russel beats Peyton 43-8" mumbo jumbo, it got everyone severely overhyping him. And that's where the backlash started.
Hack Wilson - real:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on October 13, 2014, 03:25:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on October 12, 2014, 10:45:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 12, 2014, 10:43:30 PM ---Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
--- End quote ---
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
--- End quote ---
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
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i will give Wilson credit for having less weapons than Kaep does (but he does have the better RB) but it seems like yesterday was the first game I saw Russell play where he didn't run at least 5x
i am still very disappointed in him for losing that game yesterday. I put it squarely on his shoulderes.
Remedy360:
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 13, 2014, 08:12:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on October 13, 2014, 03:25:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on October 12, 2014, 10:45:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 12, 2014, 10:43:30 PM ---Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
--- End quote ---
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
--- End quote ---
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
--- End quote ---
If the only argument was whether Wilson is a very good QB then you won't hear many people saying See I told you so. He is very good and would be a welcome starter and playmaker to most teams in the NFL. He's simply not top 10, and definitely not top 5. But the way the media treated him after the win with the BS "Russel beats Peyton 43-8" mumbo jumbo, it got everyone severely overhyping him. And that's where the backlash started.
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I'll give you top 5, but I can't really think of 10 other QB's that I would rather have, especially on this team. Plus, considering how hard the guy works there's no reason to say he's not going to continue to get better As far as young QB's in the NFL, I can see wanting Luck over him, but outside of that there's nobody I'd rather have. I'm a fan of Cam Newton but his attitude still rubs me the wrong way at times. That's funny that you heard it as "Russell beat Peyton" all I heard all offseason was based on how dominant the defense was, the "elite" conversation didn't really seem to start until a few weeks ago.
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