what do you all drink?

[daytondanger]

if a religion says intoxicated states like being drunk are not recommended or permitted, weed should definitely fall into that category. i've read a lot of arguments about weed as a spiritual aid etc and i have to reject it based on the fact it is intoxicating and you do lose your mindfulness while on it. and much moreso than alcohol at low doses, especially the high THC varieites that most people enjoy. your head is all over the place, different from the fact you might feel relaxed or uplifted while using it. and you sure as hell feel the effects the day after, it's just different to a drinking hangover, more of a mental haze.

that's my 2 cents, but it's based on observing how weed effects the mind via meditation practice. i consider it a stimulant in the sense your awareness increases and if you have unwholesome stuff in there (ie greed, lust) that part of the mind becomes more prominent. coupled with the instability it can easily lead you do shit you wouldn't otherwise do. i found you need to up the CBD and keep it indica to get a cannabis experience that doesn't totally mess with the mind. not that messing with the mind isn't fun, but it's hardly something i'd consider compatible with religious teaching.

having said that, it could have great value as medicine but not in the way most people are using it. they need to do a lot of scientific type testing into the effects of eating it on various illnesses. it seems be effective at creating deeper healing in that form, instead of the temporary distraction/pain relief of everyday use - smoking, vaping etc.

Good points (as usual) Matty.

Excusing getting high with biblical passages for foodstuff falls on its own fallacy.
Altering your mind is nothing but a temporary escape. Its like telling G_d I am not happy and I take this shortcut to "happiness".
Sadly all shortcuts cuts you short....
It is a self-centered action sort of like spiritual masturbation.

In Tenrikyo there is a saying: "Have the mind of a 3 year old".
Reflect upon it.

[Sccit]

You got me there but how would you explain the opium poppy? it's used in legal prescribed medicines but also illegal street drugs and the legal stuff can still be abused just as easy. the bible says its all good to get on heroin?

all that shit that has to be chemically enhanced/modified is no good.....weed just grows n its ready 2 go. pure opium actually aint as bad as liquor.

so what about hash? and you really think smoking opium is better for you than drinking?

its a fine line....but yea, lotsa cats out in the middle east smoke opium every day and are fully functional. if they drank every day, it'd be a whole nother story. like i said, theres no definitive answer, it's really all a matter of interpenetration, brodie.

[K-MACC]

Weng weng fuck with that 

[coastlights]

the quran actually doesnt say anythin bout not smokin weed....weed is an herb, and herbs are encouraged in most religions

that sounds like an interesting take.