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PACQUAIO'S LAWYER SAYS BOB ARUM IS BLOCKING THE MAYWEATHER FIGHT
DeeezNuuuts83:
I disagree with the Bob Arum thing. Not to say that he's free of any blame whatsoever, but I don't think he's the one standing in the way of the mega-fight, at least not for those reasons.
Manny lost twice in 2012, as you all know, and Arum currently promotes both of those fighters (Bradley and Marquez), but it's not as if he benefited so much from them being the guy(s) who beat Manny. Manny is his biggest star by a wide margin, and it's not as if the next guys in line are just a few fights away from achieving his status... in theory, Arum has more to lose from Manny losing than Manny does, seeing how Manny bounced back and didn't take very long to getting the guaranteed purses he was getting prior to the losses. In contrast, Arum has his work cut out for him in trying to revive the big PPV revenues, but that seems to be a boxing thing in general.
After the two Manny losses, it was business as usual, but there wasn't much that Arum really "gained" from them, particularly from the guys who beat him. It's not like either Bradley or Marquez became the next superstars either. Bradley had that long layoff but then put up good fights against Provodnikov (though it's not as if boxing fans were eager to see it just because Bradley had beat Manny, since everyone was pissed with that split decision anyway, though he earned his respect back against Provodnikov since it was a brawl) and then against Marquez (though for it being two boxing stars who had both added wins over Manny to their resume, the fight wasn't a smash hit either in terms of the numbers). The Manny rematch was expected. Aside from fighting Bradley, Marquez fought Alvarado, but that was a fight that didn't need to happen, especially since Marquez already had an offer for another Manny fight.
All of those fights that were listed above would still have been very likely to have occurred anyway even if Manny hadn't lost to them, so it's not like Arum was plotting to market them as conquerers of Manny, primed for a superfight. If he were so greedy, he'd have found a way to force Marquez to take on the fifth fight, since that would generate the most money for him out of any potential fight between fighters in his stable.
Basically, I don't think Floyd not being signed currently to Top Rank is an indicator that Arum doesn't want the fight, even though it is definitely a hurdle in any situation involving fighters from different promotional companies. It's not like it was easy back in the day for the dream match between wrestler X from WWF to go against wrestler Y from WCW, unless one wrestler switched companies or if one company bought the other. I don't get why boxing promoters catch so much heat, when they actually have done a lot of co-promotion throughout the past several years... Arum worked with Golden Boy (prior to Floyd coming out of retirement and using Golden Boy, which seems to have occurred ironically at the same time as when the rift was created between the companies) and has patched things up with them while also working with Lou DiBella for the Cotto-Martinez fight, one that MANY people had been wanting to see for a while.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 08, 2015, 11:22:01 AM ---I disagree with the Bob Arum thing. Not to say that he's free of any blame whatsoever, but I don't think he's the one standing in the way of the mega-fight, at least not for those reasons.
Manny lost twice in 2012, as you all know, and Arum currently promotes both of those fighters (Bradley and Marquez), but it's not as if he benefited so much from them being the guy(s) who beat Manny. Manny is his biggest star by a wide margin, and it's not as if the next guys in line are just a few fights away from achieving his status... in theory, Arum has more to lose from Manny losing than Manny does, seeing how Manny bounced back and didn't take very long to getting the guaranteed purses he was getting prior to the losses. In contrast, Arum has his work cut out for him in trying to revive the big PPV revenues, but that seems to be a boxing thing in general.
After the two Manny losses, it was business as usual, but there wasn't much that Arum really "gained" from them, particularly from the guys who beat him. It's not like either Bradley or Marquez became the next superstars either. Bradley had that long layoff but then put up good fights against Provodnikov (though it's not as if boxing fans were eager to see it just because Bradley had beat Manny, since everyone was pissed with that split decision anyway, though he earned his respect back against Provodnikov since it was a brawl) and then against Marquez (though for it being two boxing stars who had both added wins over Manny to their resume, the fight wasn't a smash hit either in terms of the numbers). The Manny rematch was expected. Aside from fighting Bradley, Marquez fought Alvarado, but that was a fight that didn't need to happen, especially since Marquez already had an offer for another Manny fight.
All of those fights that were listed above would still have been very likely to have occurred anyway even if Manny hadn't lost to them, so it's not like Arum was plotting to market them as conquerers of Manny, primed for a superfight. If he were so greedy, he'd have found a way to force Marquez to take on the fifth fight, since that would generate the most money for him out of any potential fight between fighters in his stable.
Basically, I don't think Floyd not being signed currently to Top Rank is an indicator that Arum doesn't want the fight, even though it is definitely a hurdle in any situation involving fighters from different promotional companies. It's not like it was easy back in the day for the dream match between wrestler X from WWF to go against wrestler Y from WCW, unless one wrestler switched companies or if one company bought the other. I don't get why boxing promoters catch so much heat, when they actually have done a lot of co-promotion throughout the past several years... Arum worked with Golden Boy (prior to Floyd coming out of retirement and using Golden Boy, which seems to have occurred ironically at the same time as when the rift was created between the companies) and has patched things up with them while also working with Lou DiBella for the Cotto-Martinez fight, one that MANY people had been wanting to see for a while.
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When you look at all promoters in boxing, they don't want their stars losing to a fighter they don't promote. This has been common practice for over 100 years. Once you get a star, you'd rather see them striped of a title than see then lose to a fighter you don't promote, see Tyson/Lennox Lewis in 1996, or over money, see Bowe/Lewis in 1992. If either fighter really didn't want to fight each other, I think they'd take the same route as Trinidad did when he should have had a rematch with De Le Hoya and either move up or down in weight. When a fighter really doesn't want to fight the other fighter, they do stupid stuff like move weight divisions, or they retire, or they do many other things. This doesn't look like either fighter is scared, more like Pac Man's promoters are scared and Money is indifferent.
DeeezNuuuts83:
That doesn't apply here. If it were a fight against an absolute B-side fighter promoted by a different company, like Danny Garcia or Amir Khan, then that argument would be stronger, since the B-side fighter emerging victorious would open more doors for them and bring them to the next level. In this case, the potential fight is against Floyd, who is most certainly the bigger draw between the two of them and the #1 guy in boxing. If they fought and Floyd won, it's not as if Floyd reaps any new benefits that weren't there before... he'd still be the biggest name in boxing, he'd still be the highest paid in boxing, he'd still be undefeated in boxing, and there pretty much wouldn't be any other fights that he could move on to that would one-up the mega-fight. Not much would change, and there isn't a step beyond that, other than a rematch.
I wouldn't say Floyd is "indifferent." Warren Buffet wouldn't be indifferent about $100 million, and he's got damn near $100 billion. Floyd keeps boxing and picking up record purses and posting Instagram pictures of cars and jets, so I would lean more toward him in it for the money than for the love of the sport. A guy who calls himself "Money" can't seriously be indifferent about a fight that would more than double his highest guarantee so far and likely net him even more, after the PPV revenue is tallied, since it's not like he's getting a short-sighted deal with only up-front money.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 08, 2015, 01:03:31 PM ---That doesn't apply here. If it were a fight against an absolute B-side fighter promoted by a different company, like Danny Garcia or Amir Khan, then that argument would be stronger, since the B-side fighter emerging victorious would open more doors for them and bring them to the next level. In this case, the potential fight is against Floyd, who is most certainly the bigger draw between the two of them and the #1 guy in boxing. If they fought and Floyd won, it's not as if Floyd reaps any new benefits that weren't there before... he'd still be the biggest name in boxing, he'd still be the highest paid in boxing, he'd still be undefeated in boxing, and there pretty much wouldn't be any other fights that he could move on to that would one-up the mega-fight. Not much would change, and there isn't a step beyond that, other than a rematch.
I wouldn't say Floyd is "indifferent." Warren Buffet wouldn't be indifferent about $100 million, and he's got damn near $100 billion. Floyd keeps boxing and picking up record purses and posting Instagram pictures of cars and jets, so I would lean more toward him in it for the money than for the love of the sport. A guy who calls himself "Money" can't seriously be indifferent about a fight that would more than double his highest guarantee so far and likely net him even more, after the PPV revenue is tallied, since it's not like he's getting a short-sighted deal with only up-front money.
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I don't disagree with you, but I don't think Pac Man is really afraid of Money. If Pac Man was afraid, you'd see many different things, but you wouldn't see what he is doing. Floyd does seem indifferent though, like if the fight happens, cool, if it doesn't well I still got Money. If Floyd really wanted this fight, he'd not demand such tough drug test or he'd offer up a more level purse for both fighters. If Pac Man was really afraid, he'd move up or down in weight class, or he'd retire and claim he could have beat Floyd. I do think both fighters want this fight. And Money being independent, he only uses Golden Boy to promote but he is his own man, helps him fight a variety of opponents. Pac Man being tied down to a promoter puts him in the mercy of Arum, and Arum's old way of thinking.
DeeezNuuuts83:
I never said Manny was afraid... not sure how that one came up. If anything, he is the MOST willing to push the fight through out of everyone involved.
Still, I wouldn't say that Floyd is indifferent, simply because what he says contradicts that, since he talks about Manny so much, usually in a negative way... i.e. take the test, he needs the money because of tax problems, he lost twice in 2012, his PPV numbers suck, etc. etc. Usually people who feel indifferent don't open their mouths about the topic that much. Marquez is way more indifferent, for example... it's obvious that he's running from a Manny rematch, but he doesn't constantly have something to say about Manny either.
Yes, Floyd is his own man, but the problem is that he is one person who has way too much leverage and not a lot of logic behind his actions and words. And the drawback is that no one can really tell him what to do, especially when he's being an idiot and just surrounded by yes men. At least guys who are promoted still have people to answer to, or at the very least, people who provide guidance. It's like in the workplace... generally speaking, the guy who has a boss to answer to will usually be a lot more disciplined and reliable than the guy who is self-employed and does whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
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