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Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 09:41:17 PMQuote from: Sccit on February 16, 2015, 02:26:04 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 02:13:28 PMRight now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend. Dickgrabber Dwight didn't lead shit, U coulda had Tyson Chandler on those Magic teams and they still woulda made finals in that weakass east.....Stan Van Gundy had a unique system that made Dwight look better than he actually was. That is all. Damn, Dwight still has you catching feelings. LOLI ain't saying Cousins can't be better than Dwight at his best. But Howard in his prime was better than Cousins now. But Cousins is improving, and Howard is declining like crazy. And let's face it, Cousins has a very low basketball IQ. Howard had SVG. And SVG had a system that made Howard look amazing. And that's just the reality of the game. Could Kobe win 5 titles without Phil? Could Jordan win 6? Could Bill Russell win 11 titles without Red? Does Showtime take off without Jerry West building the greatest talent ever? It happened, Howard had SVG and he looked fucking amazing. Now he sucks. SVG hid all his weaknesses and now Cousins is rising. But Cousins needs a better basketball IQ. (by the end of this, I'll have Sccit say Cousins is the fucking Einstein of basketball... LOL)cant handle the truth? Dwight is currently in his prime...thats my point. In Orlando, Stan Van Gundy simply had a picture perfect game plan that played to his strengths. it made him look much better than he really is. surround the perimeter with great three point shooters, and put dwight on the inside alone, where he can use his athleticism to gobble up offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, and get spoonfed dunks galore. both hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis were puttin up about 20 ppg on those teams (mostly from the perimeter), which helped draw the defense around the three point-line, leavin dwight alone on an island down low. played to his strengths 1000fold and made him falsely appear to be a superstar. i said it back then and it's bein exposed now that he's just a glorified tyson chandler. go look back, i even said it when he was in LA. what can i say, im good at seein through people and dwight's entire MO has been apparent to me from day 1. now Cousins, he's more skilled in every facet, only less athletic. he easily has a higher basketball IQ than Dwight...can he be immature and over-emotional? no doubt about it...but that doesnt make him dumb, just a kid who needs to grow up to realize his true potential. still, like i said, far more skilled and capable than Dwight, by a long shot.
Quote from: Sccit on February 16, 2015, 02:26:04 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 02:13:28 PMRight now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend. Dickgrabber Dwight didn't lead shit, U coulda had Tyson Chandler on those Magic teams and they still woulda made finals in that weakass east.....Stan Van Gundy had a unique system that made Dwight look better than he actually was. That is all. Damn, Dwight still has you catching feelings. LOLI ain't saying Cousins can't be better than Dwight at his best. But Howard in his prime was better than Cousins now. But Cousins is improving, and Howard is declining like crazy. And let's face it, Cousins has a very low basketball IQ. Howard had SVG. And SVG had a system that made Howard look amazing. And that's just the reality of the game. Could Kobe win 5 titles without Phil? Could Jordan win 6? Could Bill Russell win 11 titles without Red? Does Showtime take off without Jerry West building the greatest talent ever? It happened, Howard had SVG and he looked fucking amazing. Now he sucks. SVG hid all his weaknesses and now Cousins is rising. But Cousins needs a better basketball IQ. (by the end of this, I'll have Sccit say Cousins is the fucking Einstein of basketball... LOL)
Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 02:13:28 PMRight now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend. Dickgrabber Dwight didn't lead shit, U coulda had Tyson Chandler on those Magic teams and they still woulda made finals in that weakass east.....Stan Van Gundy had a unique system that made Dwight look better than he actually was. That is all.
Right now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend.
Cmon you guys are nearly saying the same thing. Dwight was always a mediocre player (all around, defensive beast yes), the fact that he had a team and system catered to him gave him those numbers.
Quote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 12:33:12 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 09:41:17 PMQuote from: Sccit on February 16, 2015, 02:26:04 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 02:13:28 PMRight now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend. Dickgrabber Dwight didn't lead shit, U coulda had Tyson Chandler on those Magic teams and they still woulda made finals in that weakass east.....Stan Van Gundy had a unique system that made Dwight look better than he actually was. That is all. Damn, Dwight still has you catching feelings. LOLI ain't saying Cousins can't be better than Dwight at his best. But Howard in his prime was better than Cousins now. But Cousins is improving, and Howard is declining like crazy. And let's face it, Cousins has a very low basketball IQ. Howard had SVG. And SVG had a system that made Howard look amazing. And that's just the reality of the game. Could Kobe win 5 titles without Phil? Could Jordan win 6? Could Bill Russell win 11 titles without Red? Does Showtime take off without Jerry West building the greatest talent ever? It happened, Howard had SVG and he looked fucking amazing. Now he sucks. SVG hid all his weaknesses and now Cousins is rising. But Cousins needs a better basketball IQ. (by the end of this, I'll have Sccit say Cousins is the fucking Einstein of basketball... LOL)cant handle the truth? Dwight is currently in his prime...thats my point. In Orlando, Stan Van Gundy simply had a picture perfect game plan that played to his strengths. it made him look much better than he really is. surround the perimeter with great three point shooters, and put dwight on the inside alone, where he can use his athleticism to gobble up offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, and get spoonfed dunks galore. both hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis were puttin up about 20 ppg on those teams (mostly from the perimeter), which helped draw the defense around the three point-line, leavin dwight alone on an island down low. played to his strengths 1000fold and made him falsely appear to be a superstar. i said it back then and it's bein exposed now that he's just a glorified tyson chandler. go look back, i even said it when he was in LA. what can i say, im good at seein through people and dwight's entire MO has been apparent to me from day 1. now Cousins, he's more skilled in every facet, only less athletic. he easily has a higher basketball IQ than Dwight...can he be immature and over-emotional? no doubt about it...but that doesnt make him dumb, just a kid who needs to grow up to realize his true potential. still, like i said, far more skilled and capable than Dwight, by a long shot.You just described the game plan that most coaches use to win with a dominate big man in the middle. You basically said, SVG saw how to win with other dominate big men, and copied that. And I don't knock Howard for that. And I agree with the Chandler comparisons, the difference is I love Chandler and would have loved him to have joined the Lakers. If the Lakers got Chandler instead of Howard, then I think Tyson would have been a better fit both game wise, and especially maturity. But yeah. And Howard is out of his prime. Like LeBron who I predicted a long time ago would leave his prime by 30 (and he has), Howard's game was all about his physical toughness and now he is nothing but a DNP-back injury. All great big men break down the way Howard is right now,But Howard is doing it way earlier.As for Cousins. He has better skills, but he has a very low EQ, and basketball IQ. Both can be fixed. But he needs to want to fix them. He is on his way to being the best big man in the game. But that's up to him and if he wants to improve his mental part of his game. If he wants to take it to the next level, then he needs to improve on this. Of the Kings need to build a system, like SVG did with Howard, that Cousins can be supported and with with.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 17, 2015, 05:22:53 AMQuote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 12:33:12 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 09:41:17 PMQuote from: Sccit on February 16, 2015, 02:26:04 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 16, 2015, 02:13:28 PMRight now, Cousins is over Dwight, easy, not even close. At their best, Dwight was better than Cousins, as he led the Magic to the Finals in a very weak east. With all that said, I would rather have Cousins now, next year and every year going forward. Now, is Cousins good, yes. But is he ready to be "consulted" when it comes to hiring a coach. Oh hell no. Cousins is not there mentally. He just isn't. He may never be there. He is a great athlete and basketball player, but he isn't ready for that type of responsibility. Their GM needs to earn their check and hire a coach who will coach Cousins correctly, not be his friend. Dickgrabber Dwight didn't lead shit, U coulda had Tyson Chandler on those Magic teams and they still woulda made finals in that weakass east.....Stan Van Gundy had a unique system that made Dwight look better than he actually was. That is all. Damn, Dwight still has you catching feelings. LOLI ain't saying Cousins can't be better than Dwight at his best. But Howard in his prime was better than Cousins now. But Cousins is improving, and Howard is declining like crazy. And let's face it, Cousins has a very low basketball IQ. Howard had SVG. And SVG had a system that made Howard look amazing. And that's just the reality of the game. Could Kobe win 5 titles without Phil? Could Jordan win 6? Could Bill Russell win 11 titles without Red? Does Showtime take off without Jerry West building the greatest talent ever? It happened, Howard had SVG and he looked fucking amazing. Now he sucks. SVG hid all his weaknesses and now Cousins is rising. But Cousins needs a better basketball IQ. (by the end of this, I'll have Sccit say Cousins is the fucking Einstein of basketball... LOL)cant handle the truth? Dwight is currently in his prime...thats my point. In Orlando, Stan Van Gundy simply had a picture perfect game plan that played to his strengths. it made him look much better than he really is. surround the perimeter with great three point shooters, and put dwight on the inside alone, where he can use his athleticism to gobble up offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, and get spoonfed dunks galore. both hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis were puttin up about 20 ppg on those teams (mostly from the perimeter), which helped draw the defense around the three point-line, leavin dwight alone on an island down low. played to his strengths 1000fold and made him falsely appear to be a superstar. i said it back then and it's bein exposed now that he's just a glorified tyson chandler. go look back, i even said it when he was in LA. what can i say, im good at seein through people and dwight's entire MO has been apparent to me from day 1. now Cousins, he's more skilled in every facet, only less athletic. he easily has a higher basketball IQ than Dwight...can he be immature and over-emotional? no doubt about it...but that doesnt make him dumb, just a kid who needs to grow up to realize his true potential. still, like i said, far more skilled and capable than Dwight, by a long shot.You just described the game plan that most coaches use to win with a dominate big man in the middle. You basically said, SVG saw how to win with other dominate big men, and copied that. And I don't knock Howard for that. And I agree with the Chandler comparisons, the difference is I love Chandler and would have loved him to have joined the Lakers. If the Lakers got Chandler instead of Howard, then I think Tyson would have been a better fit both game wise, and especially maturity. But yeah. And Howard is out of his prime. Like LeBron who I predicted a long time ago would leave his prime by 30 (and he has), Howard's game was all about his physical toughness and now he is nothing but a DNP-back injury. All great big men break down the way Howard is right now,But Howard is doing it way earlier.As for Cousins. He has better skills, but he has a very low EQ, and basketball IQ. Both can be fixed. But he needs to want to fix them. He is on his way to being the best big man in the game. But that's up to him and if he wants to improve his mental part of his game. If he wants to take it to the next level, then he needs to improve on this. Of the Kings need to build a system, like SVG did with Howard, that Cousins can be supported and with with.thats the game plan most people use? what are u talkin about?? no traditional coach uses that system, especially not at that time. stan van gundy was one of the first coaches to use all swings and really helped popularize the stretch 4. as soon as u put dwight on a traditional team, his weaknesses instantly get exposed. what stan van gundy did for dwight coulda been done for javale mcgee too. thats my point. a glorified garbage man who was fabricated into a star. and explain how u can have "very low basketball iq" when ur knowledge of the game is top-of-the-line?...demarcus is a student of the game and has seemingly studied every facet there is. he can shoot, pass, score inside, outside, defend, rebound, counters etc. etc....thats the definition of basketball iq. low basketball iq is some1 like dwight, who only has 1 move with no counters and refuses to develop his game, relying soley on athleticism to score. ur confusing cousin's immaturity with low basketball iq, and i already addressed that in my previous post, yet u still sittin here rehashing it. Doc Rivers: “The one thing with Cousins, I don’t think he’s a great athlete. He’s just really skilled. And he’s really savvy. He’s a heck of a passer. I think people get lost in the other stuff, and they don’t give him enough credit for his basketball IQ.”fall back
what are U talking about, Horry came off the bench, Phil used traditional big men at the 4 ala samaki walker and Horace grant .. triangle is nothin like SVGs system lolsmh. even the small forwards (Devean george, Rick fox) were average-above average shooters at best. completely different system cuzzcuzz. and like I said, one of cousins strengths is how fundamentally sound he is, so fall back on the basketball iq thing my bro.
Quote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 01:37:42 PMwhat are U talking about, Horry came off the bench, Phil used traditional big men at the 4 ala samaki walker and Horace grant .. triangle is nothin like SVGs system lolsmh. even the small forwards (Devean george, Rick fox) were average-above average shooters at best. completely different system cuzzcuzz. and like I said, one of cousins strengths is how fundamentally sound he is, so fall back on the basketball iq thing my bro. An IQ that wasn't clear until this year. Before that he was his own worst enemy, and no one disputes that. Fall back on the basketball IQ thing my boy.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 17, 2015, 08:11:37 PMQuote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 01:37:42 PMwhat are U talking about, Horry came off the bench, Phil used traditional big men at the 4 ala samaki walker and Horace grant .. triangle is nothin like SVGs system lolsmh. even the small forwards (Devean george, Rick fox) were average-above average shooters at best. completely different system cuzzcuzz. and like I said, one of cousins strengths is how fundamentally sound he is, so fall back on the basketball iq thing my bro. An IQ that wasn't clear until this year. Before that he was his own worst enemy, and no one disputes that. Fall back on the basketball IQ thing my boy.just admit u didnt understand the difference between basketball iq and immaturity....because demarcus cousins has always been one of the more fundamentally sound bigs in the league.i know u want so bad to feel like u won some kinda argument...but im just speakin facts, brodie. it's like saying dwight has great back-to-the-basket game based on the fact that he gets a lot of dunks in the paint.....if u make a weirdo claim, u guna get called out on it fam. i understand what u meant, but sayin he has a low basketball iq was simply a bad way to put it...and then tryna poke fun by sayin "i bet sccit is guna come here and defend his basketball iq" as if him havin low basketball iq is some sort of definitive notion. it's clear that u confused his emotional issues with his actual playing skill, and now u realize that..............but the hard part is gettin u to admit.
Quote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 08:18:15 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on February 17, 2015, 08:11:37 PMQuote from: Sccit on February 17, 2015, 01:37:42 PMwhat are U talking about, Horry came off the bench, Phil used traditional big men at the 4 ala samaki walker and Horace grant .. triangle is nothin like SVGs system lolsmh. even the small forwards (Devean george, Rick fox) were average-above average shooters at best. completely different system cuzzcuzz. and like I said, one of cousins strengths is how fundamentally sound he is, so fall back on the basketball iq thing my bro. An IQ that wasn't clear until this year. Before that he was his own worst enemy, and no one disputes that. Fall back on the basketball IQ thing my boy.just admit u didnt understand the difference between basketball iq and immaturity....because demarcus cousins has always been one of the more fundamentally sound bigs in the league.i know u want so bad to feel like u won some kinda argument...but im just speakin facts, brodie. it's like saying dwight has great back-to-the-basket game based on the fact that he gets a lot of dunks in the paint.....if u make a weirdo claim, u guna get called out on it fam. i understand what u meant, but sayin he has a low basketball iq was simply a bad way to put it...and then tryna poke fun by sayin "i bet sccit is guna come here and defend his basketball iq" as if him havin low basketball iq is some sort of definitive notion. it's clear that u confused his emotional issues with his actual playing skill, and now u realize that..............but the hard part is gettin u to admit.you'd realize I won this argument
Quote from: LooN3y on February 17, 2015, 06:59:48 AMCmon you guys are nearly saying the same thing. Dwight was always a mediocre player (all around, defensive beast yes), the fact that he had a team and system catered to him gave him those numbers.I'm just waiting for him to challenge the basketball IQ argument and make Cousins into the next Magic Johnson.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 17, 2015, 07:50:24 AMQuote from: LooN3y on February 17, 2015, 06:59:48 AMCmon you guys are nearly saying the same thing. Dwight was always a mediocre player (all around, defensive beast yes), the fact that he had a team and system catered to him gave him those numbers.I'm just waiting for him to challenge the basketball IQ argument and make Cousins into the next Magic Johnson.And you are very close to making Cousins into the next genius player. And that's my goal... LOL... you know I've debated with you for so long that I know what to say to shape your arguments.
lol... Take away maturity, and you make it sound like dude is the next Jason Kidd.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on February 18, 2015, 02:06:11 PMlol... Take away maturity, and you make it sound like dude is the next Jason Kidd.hes one of the most fundamentally sound big man in the game today...its ok to be wrong sometimes brobro