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96-98 Chicago Bulls Appreciation Thread
M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PM ---My argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.
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phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....
but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and em
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But 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PM ---My argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.
--- End quote ---
phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....
but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and em
--- End quote ---
But 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen.
--- End quote ---
he was actually better statistically and physically in 1989....but yea, phil got him to play within a team structure.
still, magic AND kareem....theyre both argued as GOAT. AND worthy, AND scott, AND cooper, AND mcadoo, AND wilkes. it's insurmountable
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:22:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PM ---My argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.
--- End quote ---
phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....
but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and em
--- End quote ---
But 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen.
--- End quote ---
he was actually better statistically and physically in 1989....but yea, phil got him to play within a team structure.
still, magic AND kareem....theyre both argued as GOAT. AND worthy, AND scott, AND cooper, AND mcadoo, AND wilkes. it's insurmountable
--- End quote ---
Except the Bulls won 72 and 69 games back to back years, two of the three best seasons in a row. If you watch both at the time, you saw Phil at his best. When the Lakers got swept by the Mavs, Phil was sick and coaching half time. In 1996, Phil was on top of his game and making Riley look like a fool in the playoffs and in the regular season. He almost beat the Knicks without Mike. And that's were I think the Bulls were highly underrated. They won without MJ, they almost best the Knicks without MJ. They felt more like a team because Phil had them on the right path. Where as the Lakers HATED their coach. They hated Riley. So as a collection of talent, Showtime is better, but as a team, I have to agree with Infinite, the Bulls win because of Phil. I am convinced that without Phil, Jordan would be on the same level as Dr. J and LeBron. Second level superstar.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:32:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:22:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PM ---My argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.
--- End quote ---
phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....
but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and em
--- End quote ---
But 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen.
--- End quote ---
he was actually better statistically and physically in 1989....but yea, phil got him to play within a team structure.
still, magic AND kareem....theyre both argued as GOAT. AND worthy, AND scott, AND cooper, AND mcadoo, AND wilkes. it's insurmountable
--- End quote ---
Except the Bulls won 72 and 69 games back to back years, two of the three best seasons in a row. If you watch both at the time, you saw Phil at his best. When the Lakers got swept by the Mavs, Phil was sick and coaching half time. In 1996, Phil was on top of his game and making Riley look like a fool in the playoffs and in the regular season. He almost beat the Knicks without Mike. And that's were I think the Bulls were highly underrated. They won without MJ, they almost best the Knicks without MJ. They felt more like a team because Phil had them on the right path. Where as the Lakers HATED their coach. They hated Riley. So as a collection of talent, Showtime is better, but as a team, I have to agree with Infinite, the Bulls win because of Phil. I am convinced that without Phil, Jordan would be on the same level as Dr. J and LeBron. Second level superstar.
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yea 72 wins in a watered down eastern conference...still not as impressive as 33 straight by the lakers. but either way, them bulls team lost to the jazz and sonic twice my bro....no way they win a game against the showtime lakers, let alone a series.
TraceOneInfinite:
INice posts, MDogg. And yes, Jordan was hard to coach, he was playing out of his mind but the Bulls still couldn't get past the Pistons until Jackson and Winter really got the triangle going and coached up all the role players. And then later having to coach up the jordan-less Bulls to 55 wins and then later being able to allow dennis to be himself and having harmony with the three stars.
LOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10.
Unlike Sccit, I'm not being biased because I got the one stat to back me up that you don't have. In 1996 the Bulls broke the record for most wins in a season, and then blew through the playoffs and championship to make for the most historic season of all time. Nough said.
The only claim you can make against the 72 win Bulls is the weaker competition argument but look how they dominated the Finals. The Western Confrence was stacked in the mid 90's, Spurs, Rockets, Suns, Sonics, Jazz....those are 5 teams that all could've gotten a championship.
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