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LOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10.
INice posts, MDogg. And yes, Jordan was hard to coach, he was playing out of his mind but the Bulls still couldn't get past the Pistons until Jackson and Winter really got the triangle going and coached up all the role players. And then later having to coach up the jordan-less Bulls to 55 wins and then later being able to allow dennis to be himself and having harmony with the three stars.LOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10.Unlike Sccit, I'm not being biased because I got the one stat to back me up that you don't have. In 1996 the Bulls broke the record for most wins in a season, and then blew through the playoffs and championship to make for the most historic season of all time. Nough said.The only claim you can make against the 72 win Bulls is the weaker competition argument but look how they dominated the Finals. The Western Confrence was stacked in the mid 90's, Spurs, Rockets, Suns, Sonics, Jazz....those are 5 teams that all could've gotten a championship.
Quote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 20, 2015, 02:17:18 AMLOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10. preach
Quote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 20, 2015, 02:17:18 AMINice posts, MDogg. And yes, Jordan was hard to coach, he was playing out of his mind but the Bulls still couldn't get past the Pistons until Jackson and Winter really got the triangle going and coached up all the role players. And then later having to coach up the jordan-less Bulls to 55 wins and then later being able to allow dennis to be himself and having harmony with the three stars.LOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10.Unlike Sccit, I'm not being biased because I got the one stat to back me up that you don't have. In 1996 the Bulls broke the record for most wins in a season, and then blew through the playoffs and championship to make for the most historic season of all time. Nough said.The only claim you can make against the 72 win Bulls is the weaker competition argument but look how they dominated the Finals. The Western Confrence was stacked in the mid 90's, Spurs, Rockets, Suns, Sonics, Jazz....those are 5 teams that all could've gotten a championship.He forgets the east was stacked in the 90's. We have had a weak east for 15 years, and people forget the east was the dominate conference through the 80's and 90's. The 8th seed in the 1996 playoffs was the Heat, who had Mourning and Tim Hardaway. That was a damn good team and they won 42 games that year. The only reason they were the 8th seed is because of injury problems. The 7th seed was the Pistons and they won 46 games. Grant Hill at his absolute best. People were calling him the next great player in the game in 1996. I mean the east was so stacked in that era. In 1987, when the Lakers won the title, they beat the Denver Nuggets in the first round, the Nuggets were 37-45 and their leading scorer was Alex English, who is in the Hall of Fame, but their number 2 was Fat Lever. The path to the finals looked way different for both teams. 1987 LakersDenver Nuggets 37-45Golden State Warriors 42-40Seattle SuperSonics 39-43then beat Boston 59-23, after Boston went through the 40-42 Michael Jordan Bulls, the 50-32 Milwaukee Bucks and the 52-30 Detroit Pistons. 1996 Bulls,Miami Heat 42-40New York Knicks 47-35 (coached by Pat Riley and lead by Patrick Ewing)Orlando Magic 60-22 then beat Seattle who was 64-18Let's face it, in the 80's, the west was a lot like the east is today. It just was. It was Houston, the Lakers and everyone else. Once Seattle upset Houston in 1987, it was all LA to take.
if u really wanna sit here and act like u think the showtime lakers wouldnt beat any team ever, then ur simply more of a sccit hater than u are a laker fan. but thats nothing new with u...uv been a fairweather laker fan+a die hard sccit fan from the get. i see u.
Quote from: Sccit on March 20, 2015, 10:45:11 AMif u really wanna sit here and act like u think the showtime lakers wouldnt beat any team ever, then ur simply more of a sccit hater than u are a laker fan. but thats nothing new with u...uv been a fairweather laker fan+a die hard sccit fan from the get. i see u. This is how I know I got you shook. You go personal. For reals, as I've said, talent wise, roster spot 1-12, the Showtime Lakers are better than the Bulls. I'm using the 1987 Lakers BTW because that was the team with the best record. Magic>Kerr, Scott<Jordan, Worthy>Pippen (I SAID IT!), Green>Rodman, Kareem>Longley, Cooper/Rambis/Thompson>Harper/Kukoc/Wennington.But I think in a 7 game series, Phil puts the Bulls over the Lakers. Phil can out coach Riley in his sleep, hell, he has out coached Riley in his sleep. What I saw Phil do for the Lakers in the 2000's, I am convinced that he'd fine a way to keep the Bulls focused enough to beat Showtime. Let me say this again, PHIL JACKSON IS THE REASON THE BULLS WIN. HE'S THE REASON THE BULLS WON 171 GAMES IN TWO YEARS! My dude, that's 171 games in the NBA. I don't give a fuck what you think of the talent level, the Bulls are wrecking the fucking league. Think of that for a second, 171 GAMES! 2 years. Against Barkley, Hakeem, Shaq, Zo, Ewing, Reggie, Payton, Malone, Mutombo, Webber, Sabonis, Robinson, Rice and on and on. The NBA was WAY more talented that it is now. And it takes a hell of a lot to not slip up and lose. That is amazing focus to win 171 games and only lose 27 games. That's an .863 winning percentage. That's unheard of. Talent wise, I agree, but Phil had that team so laser focused man, I don't think you even realize what that team accomplished. You just don't. Maybe you were too young and you can't understand. But it was something else. It's not me being a fair-weather fan, it's me being the die hard Laker fan praying that team doesn't win close to 69 games, then seeing them do it twice, and then seeing them beat future hall of fame players weekly on NBA on NBC. You might have been a little kid, but I remember it well.
Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on March 20, 2015, 08:02:13 AMQuote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 20, 2015, 02:17:18 AMLOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10. preachi thought u said bill russell was the goat?
Quote from: Sccit on March 20, 2015, 09:37:39 AMQuote from: Hack Brodenheimer on March 20, 2015, 08:02:13 AMQuote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 20, 2015, 02:17:18 AMLOl@sccit saying there is no definitive GOAT and that Jordan is merely top 10. preachi thought u said bill russell was the goat?the way you tried to word it was that the back end of the top 10 is equal to MJ which is just laughable.and Kobe at 11 isn't even close.
To put the Bulls 72 win season in perspective, it would be like an MLB team winning some 140 games!...and Sccit, the most ridiculous thing you said in this thread was attributing Jordans greatness to Stern's marketing sense. Jordan was the gold standard. Bird called him God on the basketball court. Have you heard anybody of Birds stature and integrity call Kobe God?So it was Jordan who was such an impeccable character on and off the court that enabled Stern and Sports writers and marketers and everyone else around the game to be better and have greater success in their jobs and careers. Jordan was a sports writers dream.The best commercial ever was the "why we believe in heros" commercial that showed Montana (who also never failed in the championship like Lebron, Magic, Kobe) hitting Dwight Clark in the endzone and then Jordan who never ever failed to win on the biggest stage. The Bulls never failed but the Lakers did fail at times in the championship.
i mean, the truth is the truth....ur not arguing because u think the 90s bulls were better, ur arguing for the sake of arguing. i'm arguing for the lakers because i'm a LAKER FAN and genuinely believe those 80s laker teams were the greatest assembly of talent on one squad. but your disdain for me goes way beyond your laker fandom, so you're guna sit here and argue til death, til you feel like you can take me out. even if it goes against ur team and even if it goes against conventional knowledge....if i said bulls were better, ud argue for the lakers. it's just who u are and it couldn't be any more obvious.tell me this, who the fuck on the bulls would stop kareem on those laker squads? because u got michael cooper on mj, u got worthy vs pippen...who u got for magic? for scott? cmon, son. it's too fuckin easy, and your entire M.O is see through.and if u acknowledge the laker roster is far superior, phil jackson is not Houdini, and pat riley is no slouch....phil jackson vs. pat riley was never fair, because those knicks teams were slightly above average and riley got them to overachieve. if riley was coaching the bulls and phil was coaching the knicks, riley would be the easy victor as well. and like i said, what the warriors are doing right now in a historically difficult western conference is more impressive than what the bulls did in the regular season back in the 90s...and the nba was NOT more talented back then lmao. maybe players were more SKILLED, but as far as pure talent, athleticism, physical specimens, there was no lebrons or durants or kobes back then...it was mostly second rate stars. and the speed of the game was just much slower overall. if u dont think the pat riley lakers were laser focused, then u just should end this here....and ur laker card has once again been revoked, btw...PeACe
jordan failed plenty of times to even make the finals....and kobe was a western conference champion 7 times, which is 1 more than jordan. so failing in the eastern conference finals is actually worse than failing in the finals. but if you dont know that jordan came into the NBA at the PERFECT time, right when marketing individual players took off, and that stern made jordan like his son, then u just aint knowin bruh....was jordan great? no doubt. but there have been many greats in this game, and if they were drafted in 84 and handed a key to a franchise like the bulls with a coach like phil jackson and a robin like scottie pippen for the duration of their prime, then they too would be held to Godly stature by those who grew up in that era....Dennis Rodman says Magic was the GOAT. Brandon Jennings said earlier this year that Kobe was the GOAT. Michael Cooper said Larry Bird was tougher to defend than Michael Jordan...so if we go based on what players say, we'll have a lot of different answers. but the fact of the matter is, Jordan's stature was elevated by Nike, Gatorade, Space Jam, Wheaties, Stern making him untouchable on the court etc....and that sticks in the sheeples minds. but he is not individually better than any other NBA top-tier great, because as I said, they're all the best at what they do.
Showtime Lakers were so scared of the 85-86 Celtics they lost to Houston to avoid playing them