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Drake - "Back To Back" (Meek Mill Diss)
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 05, 2015, 08:29:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on August 05, 2015, 11:06:45 AM ---
is ice cube no longer respected as an emcee because short khop used to ghostwrite for him?
is nas no longer respected as an emcee because large professor admitted he would edit his rhymes?
is ghostface no longer a respected emcee because he admitted raekwon wrote some of his rhymes?
snoop, eazy, and cube still one of the top west coast rappers ever.
no one cares, mdoggy...u doin too much.
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I don't personally care much for who wrote what for who and who wrote it themselves. Its what you're [raised for. Its like Whitney not writing I Will Always Love You. She was never heralded for the story of the song, but for her ability to hit the right notes at the right time. Snoop's lyrics were never profound enough to matter if he wrote them. It was his style of rapping that made him a star. Even if Tupac didn't write Hit Em Up (not that anyone is making that accusation) it takes more talent to rap it the way he did than it does to write those rhymes.
But Drake? He's simply not very good. I find it a joke that he needs concept tracks because the tracks suck. And people need to stop with all thw bullshit of him being successful. He's not! Given all his media hypoe and twitter following he still can't get over 2 million sales. 3 albums 4 million total sales. Don't blame the age, or the new market, blame the shit that's being sold as music. One of the biggest stars in music and he can't sell more than Dogg Food? Give Daz and Kurupt the kind of media attention Drake gets and they'd have gone diamond.
The kid can't even pack up the skydome. Bruce Springsteen is 3 times Drake's age, was never pushed by the media as hard as Drake is now, releases a compilation album of unreleased songs, none are hits, tours half the number of cities and generates almost two times the revenue with lower ticket prices. You know why? Because more people come to see talent than will ever come to see hype.
Drake's at his absolute peak and this is the best he can do? He's a 100% media creation. These millions upon millions of fans and followers he has don't even like him enough to buy his albums.
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One the grand scheme of things, I agree. Here is the thing though, it's 2015. It's about living in the now. I listen to old music, and I listen to new music. Only 2 rappers today really grab my attention, that's J. Cole and K Dot. But social media is dominated by Drake and Meek Mill, so I put my ear to the battle and I was not impressed by the music at all, but the moves of Drake. Now let's 100, when K Dot dropped Control, the whole Hip-Hop universe wanted Drake to respond, and he dropped a subliminal diss, and when K Dot responded with a couple of little jabs Drake tucked his tail and said they were friends. So I'm not saying Drake is an all-time great. But for today, Drake has got his first true Hip-Hop win against a very weak so-called street rapper. It's like LeBron finally winning with Bosh and Wade, I mean, it will go on the resume, it gets the monkey off his back, but at the end of the day it wouldn't put him on Mt. Rushmore. Drake in many ways is like the LeBron of rap, he can make good music, and some think he's the best of his generation, but somethings missing to bring him to that next level and in any other era he wouldn't be the best. The difference is that Drake has J. Cole and K Dot to shine above him and keep the real heads satisfied well Drake goes and gets the mainstream attention.
Efrain:
A couple points on this controversy:
* Drake didn't use a "ghostwriter", he hired another writer to help with the song, Quentin Miller. Quentin Miller is credited in the booklet for that song. Not exactly hiding the fact someone else helped
* Quentin Miller says he didn't ghostwrite anything, that him and Drake collaborated on a few songs and that IYRTITL was essentially done when he started working with them
* Other great rappers/lyricists have been accused of this too, and with actual ghostwriters (non-credited writers). Cormega wrote Nas's most famous quotable "Life's a bitch god forbid the bitch divorce me."
* Meek is pretty wack (just sayin') and this whole thing started because Drake wouldn't tweet Meek's album... that might be the dumbest reason for a beef in hip hop history
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Efrain on August 06, 2015, 11:30:22 AM ---A couple points on this controversy:
* Drake didn't use a "ghostwriter", he hired another writer to help with the song, Quentin Miller. Quentin Miller is credited in the booklet for that song. Not exactly hiding the fact someone else helped
* Quentin Miller says he didn't ghostwrite anything, that him and Drake collaborated on a few songs and that IYRTITL was essentially done when he started working with them
* Other great rappers/lyricists have been accused of this too, and with actual ghostwriters (non-credited writers). Cormega wrote Nas's most famous quotable "Life's a bitch god forbid the bitch divorce me."
* Meek is pretty wack (just sayin') and this whole thing started because Drake wouldn't tweet Meek's album... that might be the dumbest reason for a beef in hip hop history
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Nah, I think caught feelings over Drake's Rico verse. Drake smashed Nikki, the whole world knows it.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: E.B.C. on August 06, 2015, 07:58:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 06, 2015, 07:52:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: BIG BeLLY BONeZ on August 05, 2015, 08:44:31 PM ---
Bruce Springsteen????
Come on shallow, the 80s is like vintage now.....
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I'm talking about his 2014 tour. Not the 80s.
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My mother listens to him, I'll ask her about it...
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His old stuff is phenomenal. But his current stuff isn't relevant or successful. My point is that a way past his prime senior citizen can generate more money than the biggest acts in modern music. I assure you that no one in their mid 60s who where big in the 50s was generating anything close to what the stars of the 80s were doing in the 80s.
The reason is simple; the stars of the 80s had enough talent and hits to keep the old dogs at bay. Today's stars don't have enough of either, thus there is enough current people that would rather go see an old act and not spend the money on a current one. Because the current acts simply do not resonate with the masses. The hits and revenue simply isn't there.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 06, 2015, 12:03:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: E.B.C. on August 06, 2015, 07:58:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 06, 2015, 07:52:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: BIG BeLLY BONeZ on August 05, 2015, 08:44:31 PM ---
Bruce Springsteen????
Come on shallow, the 80s is like vintage now.....
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I'm talking about his 2014 tour. Not the 80s.
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My mother listens to him, I'll ask her about it...
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His old stuff is phenomenal. But his current stuff isn't relevant or successful. My point is that a way past his prime senior citizen can generate more money than the biggest acts in modern music. I assure you that no one in their mid 60s who where big in the 50s was generating anything close to what the stars of the 80s were doing in the 80s.
The reason is simple; the stars of the 80s had enough talent and hits to keep the old dogs at bay. Today's stars don't have enough of either, thus there is enough current people that would rather go see an old act and not spend the money on a current one. Because the current acts simply do not resonate with the masses. The hits and revenue simply isn't there.
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The dangerous thing with that statement is my teacher said the same thing in the 90's about how 90's music sucks and 60's and 70's artist were more talented. Now the 90's are seen as the old school talented artist.
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