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Quote from: abusive on December 03, 2015, 06:38:54 PMQuote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PMAnd yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon. The pattern is:1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it. 4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.6.) Civil war tendencies grow.Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no? And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context? I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?No, not justifiable, explainable. Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
Quote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PMAnd yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon. The pattern is:1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it. 4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.6.) Civil war tendencies grow.Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no? And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context? I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PMAnd yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon. The pattern is:1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it. 4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.6.) Civil war tendencies grow.Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no? And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context? I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon. The pattern is:1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it. 4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Quote from: Fraxxx on December 04, 2015, 01:50:44 AMQuote from: abusive on December 03, 2015, 06:38:54 PMQuote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PMAnd yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon. The pattern is:1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it. 4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.6.) Civil war tendencies grow.Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no? And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context? I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?No, not justifiable, explainable. Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.I was referring to the elaborate ISIS strategy. They sacrifice valuable suicide killers in order to create hate within the various kinds of people living in the west (whites, muslims, white leftists, white right-wingers etc.). They know that a lot of Muslims live in countries like France, Belgium, England, the Netherlands or Germany. As nuts as it sounds, but an adult girl I know is not allowed to travel during these Christmas holidays, because her parents literally fear for her safety. ISIS wins.
Sorry to break it to you kid, but the bible is one of the most violent books there is quoting all kinds of violence.Samuel 15:3,8Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeysI won't waste my time quoting any more, but it promotes rape and murder IF you read it. Like any complex religious book it can be exploited and used as an excuse.Hitler was an orthodox Christian, and believed to be behind the genocide of millions. The KKK were Christians. That Norway shooter that shot and killed a lot of children a few years back was a Christian. Are we going to jump to brandishing Christianity as a religion of mass murderous psychopaths? Of course not. It appears you have fallen for the propaganda hook, line and sinker.There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. If it really did promote murder, death and terror, we'd all be dead
Too many different versions of these books
^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
Here's the source for Hitler being Catholic: http://spirituallysmart.blogspot.com/2010/05/nazi-vatican-info.htmlHere is the source for Albert Pike, Freemasonry and the KKK: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.htmlI'm still waiting for VDHEART to come and prove what he's talking about since I'm a kid who has never read the bible. I'll give him one more day then I'll come in and disprove this notion that the bible and/or Christianity advocates violence. Once I do that I hope we can get back on track with the subject at hand. No more excuses! Either you want the truth or you don't. If you want to stay in the matrix then be my guest.
Quote from: 7even on December 02, 2015, 03:16:09 PM^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do. Remove religion for a minute. Christianity doesn't commit murder, Islam doesn't commit murder - 'MEN' commit murder. Men rip women's stomach's open. No sane rational minded human being would even consider it, including a MAJORITY of the 1 billion + Muslims on earth.Keep letting that Western propaganda keep you in perpetual state of fear
Quote from: abusive on December 07, 2015, 10:44:31 AMHere's the source for Hitler being Catholic: http://spirituallysmart.blogspot.com/2010/05/nazi-vatican-info.htmlHere is the source for Albert Pike, Freemasonry and the KKK: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.htmlI'm still waiting for VDHEART to come and prove what he's talking about since I'm a kid who has never read the bible. I'll give him one more day then I'll come in and disprove this notion that the bible and/or Christianity advocates violence. Once I do that I hope we can get back on track with the subject at hand. No more excuses! Either you want the truth or you don't. If you want to stay in the matrix then be my guest. Interesting. Never read a bible, yet are going to disprove my notion that Christianity advocates violence? OK, well I've already put up quotes directly out of the bible. Perhaps murdering innocent kids and rape is not violent to you? Scroll back to page 1 and you'll see them. The bible is a very bloody book and does advocate violence, yet I know a lot of nice Christians. Point is, that religion is not a cause, the person is the cause.
The bible doesn't advocate violence when you read the entire thing and put it in its proper context. The text you quoted where for a specific people during a specifies period of time. It wasn't something for the entire world to follow. Unless you were descendants of a certain man and lived in a certain region during a certain time frame then it had nothing to do with you. The New Testament is set out for all mankind to follow because those same people rejected God so God came with a new message and brought it to everyone. Not only don't you know what the bibles teaches, you haven't even watched the documentary and you don't know what the quran teaches. Yet you want to sit up here an debate this. Do us all a favor and get off of your high horse thinking that your unsubstantiated opinions hold more weight than documented facts. The same way you didn't know what you were talking about with Hitler, the kkk and 2pac's 50 niggaz tattoo meaning, you don't know what you are talking about what now!
How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool. With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything. Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West. Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one. I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young childrena) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
Quote from: V2DHeart on January 19, 2016, 06:14:25 AMHow do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool. With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything. Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West. Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one. I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young childrena) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terroristsYou want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying. I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before. Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
Quote from: abusive on January 21, 2016, 12:44:24 PMQuote from: V2DHeart on January 19, 2016, 06:14:25 AMHow do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool. With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything. Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West. Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one. I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young childrena) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terroristsYou want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying. I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before. Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth. The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries. All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too