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Shallow:

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--- Quote from: Shallow on January 16, 2016, 05:24:23 PM ---Game was over on Wednesday when the NFL told Reid and Sutton they had to lose.

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You just hate Tom Brady because you love Peyton Manning, kinda like Nik hates LeBron because he's infatuated with Kobe.

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I hate Brady fans when talking football. Could cate less about the actual athletes themselves. And if you go back to our old FIFA debates I was calling those games fixed as well. You called me an idiot. The courts of Europe disagree with you. I even called it fixed when my home country won the Euro in 04.

This is not about who I like or don't.  It's about what I think of the "sport". I'm no more in to Brady vs Manning now as I was in HBK vs Bret Hart in the 90s. And I got just as riled up when HBK won at Wrestle mania 12.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Infinite Trapped In 1996 on January 17, 2016, 04:21:19 AM ---Chiefs played a good game.  They had some opportunities.  That Knile Davis fumble was huge.  Up to that point the Chiefs were holding on strong, and trading blows with the champs. 

Knile Davis had been Jamal Charles back-up the last couple of years.  The Chiefs were 1-5, and Charles was injured for the season.  Out of nowhere, West and Ware emerged to become the go to running backs for the Chiefs, and were a great 1-2 punch that lead the Chiefs to 10 straight wins.  Knile Davis became just a special teams guy.

Then Ware was injured last week, so Davis finally finds himself on the field in a big game, with the weight of the team on his shoulders, and he was fighting, but ultimately the moment was too big for him.  He coughed up a fumble like he did all throughout his college career and through his first few seasons now in the pros.  I knew he was an accident waiting to happen once I saw him out there being used at key moments in the game.

Then the Chiefs had a couple opportunities for some big turnovers on defense but just couldn't come up with it.  The Pro-Bowl rookie Peters, who lead the league in interceptions nearly came up with a big one, and Tamba Hali nearly caught a gift from Brady.

Anyway, it just wasn't enough.  Edlemen, Gronk, and Brady just proved to be too much.  Hats off though to the Chiefs.  They had a great season and won a playoff game.  They traded punches with the champs, and proved they could play with the best.

I'm proud of the team.

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Just watch last year's hame again and watch every game the Pats offense  struggles. When the defense disguises coverage and rotates a linebacker to blitz the Pats get shut down. So then answer why do teams not try more of it and more importantly go back to it after it worked?

My answer is because the sport is influenced by the coaches to go a certain way. Players for the most part are too stupid to get it. Like those idiots cheering on a 4th down interception not realizing they cost the tram a lot of yards. Or last night's game where Arians calls a timeout to get the hail mary defense ready and still puts a bad defense on the field.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: Shallow on January 17, 2016, 06:42:39 AM ---
Just watch last year's hame again and watch every game the Pats offense  struggles. When the defense disguises coverage and rotates a linebacker to blitz the Pats get shut down. So then answer why do teams not try more of it and more importantly go back to it after it worked?

My answer is because the sport is influenced by the coaches to go a certain way. Players for the most part are too stupid to get it. Like those idiots cheering on a 4th down interception not realizing they cost the tram a lot of yards. Or last night's game where Arians calls a timeout to get the hail mary defense ready and still puts a bad defense on the field.

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I noticed one thing that Brady was doing that was pretty smart... He was coming to the line early, and the Chiefs would start moving their defense around and he would call out adjustments to correspond with whatever the Chiefs were showing.  It seemed he had a lot of time at the line, and maybe the Chiefs did not do a good enough job disguising what they were going to do.  It seemed Brady was winning the play at the line, and before the snap.   It's like that saying from the Art of War, "Win first, and then go to battle". 

Not sure what you are saying with your conspiracy theory about coaches influencing the game.  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you and you can clarify.

I think you can't talk shit on Brady after the Chiefs game, because I thought he played pretty much mistake free.  I mean he was on top of every movement the Chiefs made, and he was able to overcome a lot of key drops by his receivers. 

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Infinite Trapped In 1996 on January 17, 2016, 07:52:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 17, 2016, 06:42:39 AM ---
Just watch last year's hame again and watch every game the Pats offense  struggles. When the defense disguises coverage and rotates a linebacker to blitz the Pats get shut down. So then answer why do teams not try more of it and more importantly go back to it after it worked?

My answer is because the sport is influenced by the coaches to go a certain way. Players for the most part are too stupid to get it. Like those idiots cheering on a 4th down interception not realizing they cost the tram a lot of yards. Or last night's game where Arians calls a timeout to get the hail mary defense ready and still puts a bad defense on the field.

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I noticed one thing that Brady was doing that was pretty smart... He was coming to the line early, and the Chiefs would start moving their defense around and he would call out adjustments to correspond with whatever the Chiefs were showing.  It seemed he had a lot of time at the line, and maybe the Chiefs did not do a good enough job disguising what they were going to do.  It seemed Brady was winning the play at the line, and before the snap.   It's like that saying from the Art of War, "Win first, and then go to battle". 

Not sure what you are saying with your conspiracy theory about coaches influencing the game.  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you and you can clarify.

I think you can't talk shit on Brady after the Chiefs game, because I thought he played pretty much mistake free.  I mean he was on top of every movement the Chiefs made, and he was able to overcome a lot of key drops by his receivers. 

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Coaches can call whatever play they want and players are too stupid to question it. That's my point. So when you call a whole game with out one blitz when the last game you played against them you killed them with the rotating blitz there is no player on the defensive field that is even allowed to say fuck that, we're doing this instead.

I wouldn't say mistake free either. Brady made two poor throws in clutch time that could have been disasters. Lucky breaks. The one out route that the Chiefs jumped on but dropped the INT, and the up the middle to Gronk in coverage that ended up bouncing into Edeleman's hands. Both could have easily ended in pick 6s. And when you aren't getting to the QB at all , and won't call any bltizes to help the front 4, and your #1 target is consistently getting open off of uncalled pushoffs, yeah its not hard to have a good game.

Call it a conspiracy all you want, but just like Fifa, which gets caught doing it all the time, the NFL wll be shown for the fraud that it is. Of course I shouldn't use the word fraud because they come right out and tell you its not a real competition on the back of the ticket.

And to anyone that asks why I even watch if I think its bogus; the same reason I watched wrestling in the old days. Its fun to yell at the TV sometimes. And of course for the cash. I cleared an extra 6 grande this NFL season. Paid for a trip to Greece.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: Shallow on January 17, 2016, 08:17:16 AM ---


Coaches can call whatever play they want and players are too stupid to question it. That's my point. So when you call a whole game with out one blitz when the last game you played against them you killed them with the rotating blitz there is no player on the defensive field that is even allowed to say fuck that, we're doing this instead.

I wouldn't say mistake free either. Brady made two poor throws in clutch time that could have been disasters. Lucky breaks. The one out route that the Chiefs jumped on but dropped the INT, and the up the middle to Gronk in coverage that ended up bouncing into Edeleman's hands. Both could have easily ended in pick 6s. And when you aren't getting to the QB at all , and won't call any bltizes to help the front 4, and your #1 target is consistently getting open off of uncalled pushoffs, yeah its not hard to have a good game.

Call it a conspiracy all you want, but just like Fifa, which gets caught doing it all the time, the NFL wll be shown for the fraud that it is. Of course I shouldn't use the word fraud because they come right out and tell you its not a real competition on the back of the ticket.

And to anyone that asks why I even watch if I think its bogus; the same reason I watched wrestling in the old days. Its fun to yell at the TV sometimes. And of course for the cash. I cleared an extra 6 grande this NFL season. Paid for a trip to Greece.

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I'm not an expert on the rotating blitz, but it sure looked like that's what the Chiefs were doing at the beginning of the game.  The Pats seemed to be prepared for it.  Bell-li-check isn't going to let his team fall victim to the same scheme that got that blown out in the previous game.  The Chiefs were going to have to expect that Bell-li-check would counter.

what's that about the back of the ticket?  What does it say?

and I didn't take you for being such a conspiracy theorist.

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