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Quote from: Sccit on April 16, 2016, 04:37:11 PMi thought we shoulda got rg3, but what do i knowThe leg injury RG3 got his rookie year fucked him up pretty badly, on top of apparently having some issues upstairs. Still, he seems like he could be a decent QB if given the right opportunity, the Rams would've been about as good a fit as any for him as far as teams that needed QB's. As far as LA, they gave up a shitload of capital to move up in the draft and get their guy, better know what they're doing.
i thought we shoulda got rg3, but what do i know
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I personally don't think it was wise to trade up for QB, but it might be the only possible solution. With that said, they also shouldn't have picked up RGIII. RGIII is right where he needs to be with Hue Jackson coaching him and working on him. The Rams on the other hand, I don't know what the solution is, but the solution is not currently in the league right now. There are no franchise QB's just flouting around. Even a decent QB is locked up in multi-year deals. Those that are flouting around are QB's that need work and the right coach, and the Rams don't have that. The best way for the Rams to get that QB is to draft one, and well I think they gave up too much to move up, if that QB is a hit then the Rams will have their QB for the next 15 years and it will be all worth it. That franchise QB is so hard to find, so teams lock them up. If a QB is available right now, then there is something wrong and there are only a hand full of coaches who can work with those QB's. Hue Jackson, Jim Hardbaugh was one in SF, Norv Turner, Joe Philbin; these are all coaches that you should have on staff if you're going to take a Kaep, or RGIII. Kaep was AMAZING under Hardbaugh, and RGIII went to Cleveland because he saw what Jackson brought out of average QB's. But outside the comfort of these coaches, Kaep and RGIII have had little to no success and in fact have been problems for coaches and by extension the locker rooms. So if the Rams want a Kaep, they need to get on the phone and get a QB friendly coach in that locker room. If they are not going to fire Fisher (which I would) then they are better off drafting a new QB and hoping they strike gold.
Here is where I disagree. Smith was a bust before Hardbaugh came to SF. Under Hardbaugh Smith was looking like a new QB. He was well liked in the locker room, but the talent never translated. Under Hardbaugh, he brought that out of him, and then he was able to move to KC. Smith always had the talent, but he needed a coach like Hardbaugh to bring it out of him. Kaep had Hardbaugh to bring it out, but the problem was that management compromised Hardbaugh in his last year. Kaep was not a finished product, and by taking Hardbaugh from him as he was entering his prime, management SCREWED Kaep. With Jackson, I truly think Jackson can turn them around. When Jackson came to Oakland, you could have said the same exact thing... "you forgot to mention, it's Oakland." But in Oakland, Jackson took a journeyman QB in Jason Campbell, and had people wondering if he was the next coming of Jim Plunkett. Afterall, Campbell had the talent, but never had the right coaching. But Jackson as OC, then HC got the most out of him. RGIII had one great rookie year in Washington, but injures have kept him down. The talent is undeniable, but once Mike Shanahan figured RGIII was washed up after his injury, RGIII's days in Washington were over. They even hired Jay Gruden, who everyone thought was a QB Guru coach, to fix RGIII. But at the end Gruden was not nearly the QB coach that his brother was and they had to go a more conventional route with Cousins. But RGIII needed a place that he knew would work with his special gifts. Not all NFL coaches know how to work with an RGIII, or a Kaep. RGIII is risking going to a bad team in order to work with Hue, and I think that's the smartest move in his career. If Hue can't "fix" him, then I don't think anyone can. Fisher sure as hell can't.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on April 19, 2016, 08:15:19 PMHere is where I disagree. Smith was a bust before Hardbaugh came to SF. Under Hardbaugh Smith was looking like a new QB. He was well liked in the locker room, but the talent never translated. Under Hardbaugh, he brought that out of him, and then he was able to move to KC. Smith always had the talent, but he needed a coach like Hardbaugh to bring it out of him. Kaep had Hardbaugh to bring it out, but the problem was that management compromised Hardbaugh in his last year. Kaep was not a finished product, and by taking Hardbaugh from him as he was entering his prime, management SCREWED Kaep. With Jackson, I truly think Jackson can turn them around. When Jackson came to Oakland, you could have said the same exact thing... "you forgot to mention, it's Oakland." But in Oakland, Jackson took a journeyman QB in Jason Campbell, and had people wondering if he was the next coming of Jim Plunkett. Afterall, Campbell had the talent, but never had the right coaching. But Jackson as OC, then HC got the most out of him. RGIII had one great rookie year in Washington, but injures have kept him down. The talent is undeniable, but once Mike Shanahan figured RGIII was washed up after his injury, RGIII's days in Washington were over. They even hired Jay Gruden, who everyone thought was a QB Guru coach, to fix RGIII. But at the end Gruden was not nearly the QB coach that his brother was and they had to go a more conventional route with Cousins. But RGIII needed a place that he knew would work with his special gifts. Not all NFL coaches know how to work with an RGIII, or a Kaep. RGIII is risking going to a bad team in order to work with Hue, and I think that's the smartest move in his career. If Hue can't "fix" him, then I don't think anyone can. Fisher sure as hell can't. There's no doubt that Harbaugh helped Smith big time. But the fact is, that team was loaded with talent already, good players on offense and a defense as good as any in the league. My point is that Smith (and Kap) were beneficiaries of all the talent around them in SF. Is the coach important? No doubt, but the difference in talent as far as a team like SF a few years ago vs Cleveland now is through the roof. You're right that Jackson had Campbell looking pretty good, but it's not like he was leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of his career. Campbell was always a decent QB, but it's not like he was about to become the next big thing. Our argument comes down to coach vs talent on the team. Jackson may be a great fit for RGIII, but how much good is that going to do if the guy doesn't have any help around him? The Rams beat up on teams like the Seahawks and the Cardinals in the NFC West last year with garbage at the QB position. If I was someone like RGIII it would just seem to make more sense to go to a team that is a QB away from being a contender vs a walking shitshow like Cleveland.