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Quote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 11:08:50 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 17, 2016, 09:55:42 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 08:12:14 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 14, 2016, 07:01:03 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region Master P is from New Orleans. His early music was bay shit But Ice Cream Man was clearly a southern albumIt's a mix .. U familiar with K-Lou?
Quote from: Sccit on October 17, 2016, 09:55:42 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 08:12:14 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 14, 2016, 07:01:03 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region Master P is from New Orleans. His early music was bay shit But Ice Cream Man was clearly a southern album
Quote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 08:12:14 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 14, 2016, 07:01:03 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region Master P is from New Orleans. His early music was bay shit
Quote from: Sccit on October 14, 2016, 07:01:03 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region Master P is from New Orleans.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region
Quote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man
First off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 11:08:50 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 17, 2016, 09:55:42 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 17, 2016, 08:12:14 AMQuote from: Sccit on October 14, 2016, 07:01:03 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 14, 2016, 01:12:16 PMQuote from: Sccit on October 13, 2016, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2016, 10:19:01 PMFirst off, I can't think of one single Master P classic album, and on top of that looking back everyone thought he was wack and no one have him 5 mics or a XXL. So he don't count to me.'Pac had bars and raw emotion. Please, plus he had so many diss songs it was unreal. Dude would eat Game and Game would tell you that too.Ghetto tryna kill me and ice cream man Ice Cream Man was 4 mics, and that's a good rating for it. Bout It, Bout It was alright, and it set the foundation for a good 4 year No Limit run. But it wasn't a classic. I've never seen any Master P album on CREDIBLE hip-hop reviewers classic list. Putting any Master P album in any classic list really waters down the label classic, especially if no credible hip-hop journalist has any of his albums on any classics list. With that said, that The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me album cover, that has always been a personal classic since I was 16. LOL. I was trying to look at her too. Your average hip-hop reviewer is an east coast dick rider who doesn't even recognize the bay as a region Master P is from New Orleans. His early music was bay shit But Ice Cream Man was clearly a southern albumno it's not, the first real southern album from Master P was Ghetto D, and even then it still a couple of bay sounding songs on it. Ice Cream Man was a mixture between songs recorded in the Bay where he reps Richmond, and songs recorded in the South as P gradually moved back to Louisiana.Bay songs :- Ice Cream Man (produced by K-Lou)- Playa from around the way- Selling Ice Cream (hence the chorus "Just another day selling Ice Cream in the Bay)- Things Ain't What They Used to Be- Time for a 187 (produced by DJ Daryl of 2pac fame)- Half on a Bag of Dank ("cali got that good ass weed)- How G's Ride (produced by K-Lou featuring Big Ed, quintessential bay sound)- Watch Deez HoezSouth songs :- Never-ending Game- Ghetto Heroes- Bout It Bout It II- No More Tears- Break 'Em Off Something'- Time to check my crackhouse- Back Up Off Me- Bout That Drama- Killer Pussyand among these songs, many have a mixture of both sounds as south producers like KLC and Mo B. Dick stayed in Richmond with P and K-Lou and soaked up musical influences from there (and vice versa). Songs like Back Up off Me or Back Up Off Me have elements often used in g-funk / mobb music.as for the Ghetto's Tryin' To Kill, it's a genuine, 100% bay area album. nothing but bay producers and features : JT The Bigga Figga, San Quinn, Lil Ric, K-Lou, EA Ski, etc.
i wasn't discussing whether it's a classic or not. you said it was clearly a southern album, when it's a little more complicated than that. i simply explained why.it's not a classic in the musical sense of the term, i.e. the word classic doesn't equate good in this case but it's a classic in the sense a "staple", a game changer. Ice Cream Man and Ghetto D. were the blueprint for successful independent albums and marked the shift from music trends dictated by music execs, a&r, and industry people to music dictated by street marketing tactics. it showed the industry that you could it yourself, not cater to any standard (musically, lyrically), be country and be successful.in that sense, Ice Cream Man matches the original sense of the world "classic" : a reference, a go to album, a staple, irrespective of its intrinsic quality. and to this day Master P is still known as Mr Ice Cream Man, it's no coincidence. Ice Cream Man, despite being a half bay album (whose local scene always had ties with the South), is one of the most important albums from a historical standpoint. It launched No Limit onto a whole bigger sphere. without Ice Cream Man, it's safe to say that No Limit wouldn't have evolved into the independent, self made and owned hit making machine that it later became by transitioning from a west coast sound to a south sound at the right time, especially since Ice Cream Man was a ground breaking album cause it changed the rules of the distribution deals between independent labels and majors. so yeah, Ice Cream Man is a classic because its release marked a shift of power between independent labels and majors, and because its release resonated in the industry, maybe not in IE or San Bernardino, but in the South and the East. That's why you got Nas and Jay Z to jump on the No Limit Bandwagon when it's clear they didn't think much (to say the least) of No Limit's music (understandably so from their perspective). You don't have to be a 5 mic album to be a classic.
Sorry, but to say no one calls any of master p's work classic is ridiculous:http://rapmusic.com/threads/master-p-ghetto-d-classic.1230939/https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411727590909999146/
a classic album isn't a classic unless some hipster nerd that worked for The Source in the 1990s says so, end of thread the people in the streets and word of mouth have no value in hip-hop
Quote from: Blood$ on October 18, 2016, 05:30:52 PMa classic album isn't a classic unless some hipster nerd that worked for The Source in the 1990s says so, end of thread the people in the streets and word of mouth have no value in hip-hop It'd be one thing if there was some dispute .. But literally every post in that thread I linked called it classic. Now, I don't even really consider it a classic myself, because I define classic by quality above impact. But to me, ghettos tryna kill me is a bay classic, either way, and I won't fault someone for claimin ghetto d a classic.