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Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
BIGWORM:
Nate Dogg G-Funk Classics, Vol. 1 & 2 is a classic in my opinion. You must remember he isn't a hip hop artist he's a R&B singer. So for what that album was it's a classic.
But I'm going to have to go with what a previous poster said. It's disappointing that Method Man never had a classic album as far as the west coast goes, it would have been nice to see B-Real of Cypress Hill with a classic solo album.
Sccit:
Soul on ice is a classic
G-funk classics vol 1 & 2 as well
doggfather:
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: doggfather on October 06, 2016, 03:33:50 AM ---ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
--- End quote ---
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Sccit on October 06, 2016, 09:20:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: doggfather on October 06, 2016, 03:33:50 AM ---ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
--- End quote ---
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
--- End quote ---
I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
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